MEP Nigel farage

[Stat Brother]

Been thinking about this since I got back from my latest visit to the states.


I work in Medical Technology and was in Phoenix with a load of European colleagues and was meeting with Americans from all over the country. Now. These are professional, well educated and skilled folks who, you might think, would not be Trump advocates. I thought that his demographic might be the blue collar working class guys with wall eyed views on migrants and muslims but...I was wrong. The Europeans, to a one, can't see him as anything but a child-man narcissistic and idiotic knobhead. A figure of fun, a liar and ridiculous cretin but , time over time, the Americans would reveal themselves to be admirers. I found it amazing to hear a person who I had previously believed to be articulate and smart talk about Trumps amazing power as a master persuader, a proud defender of American values and a brilliant commander in chief. It was then I realised how doomed we are.

We are royally screwed. We might as well give up now.

Just out of interest what was the racial mix of the group?

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

White, 90% Hispanic 5% Asian 2% mixed 3% black 0%

 

[Stat Brother]

White, 90% Hispanic 5% Asian 2% mixed 3% black 0%

There's your answer then.

Trump was elected by white men 30-60, because everybody else either didn't vote or couldn't vote for Hilary.
(Trump and Clinton were the only possible candidates who could have lost to the other)

In the recent 'by-elections' everybody voted and the Republican's took a beating.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Is there any further depths this man can sink to? Trying to make political gain out of a tragic story, and then mocking a doctor who saw some of the vile tweets and replies Farage stirred up. He was also denigrating our NHS knowing the Americans were using it to slate 'socialised medecine'.



https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/989895840041963520

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https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/989697957724327936

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https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/990271041506369536

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[Blue Valkyrie]

He'll come unstuck in the end, for sure.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Farage is a tosser.

 

[pb21]

Is there any further depths this man can sink to? Trying to make political gain out of a tragic story, and then mocking a doctor who saw some of the vile tweets and replies Farage stirred up. He was also denigrating our NHS knowing the Americans were using it to slate 'socialised medecine'.



https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/989895840041963520

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https://twitter.com/IngrahamAngle/status/989697957724327936

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https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/990271041506369536

So is he saying parents should be able to do what they wish with their children without state interference?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So is he saying parents should be able to do what they wish with their children without state interference?

It's implying there is state interference. The judiciary are not the state.

 

[Jim D]

It's implying there is state interference. The judiciary are not the state.

Where does 'the state' begin and end? Is it with the medical practitioners, the courts, the 'experts'? This has been a very difficult case from the start. On the one side we have the medics saying that they should have a final say into the families options. Then the family and it's 'supporters' demanding that they be allowed to choose their own approach. Thankfully I have never had a child in this situation, and I hope I never will, but if I did I would like to be able to take advantage of any possible solution - and I wouldn't be happy with any 'experts' telling me that I couldn't. If the kid's going to die then I would like to consider, and possibly take, any treatment on offer. The state should have no say in this - unless they were expected to pay for it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Where does 'the state' begin and end? Is it with the medical practitioners, the courts, the 'experts'? This has been a very difficult case from the start. On the one side we have the medics saying that they should have a final say into the families options. Then the family and it's 'supporters' demanding that they be allowed to choose their own approach. Thankfully I have never had a child in this situation, and I hope I never will, but if I did I would like to be able to take advantage of any possible solution - and I wouldn't be happy with any 'experts' telling me that I couldn't. If the kid's going to die then I would like to consider, and possibly take, any treatment on offer. The state should have no say in this - unless they were expected to pay for it.

I have been in a similar position although the decision to switch off the machine wasn't mine as I wasn't next of kin, and my brother was 21. The doctors said his brain wasn't functioning after contracting encephalitus. It takes two different doctors to make a diagnosis like that, and doctors are the experts. Of course, doctors can make mistakes, but generally speaking, they know more than us.
Parents of a small child will be very emotional, and not very rational. There were four different courts who decided the medical advice was right, and also included the European Court of Human Rights, but somehow Nigel Farage has managed to agree with American media that we have death panels here.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

What’s this got to do with Farage? Or is he now a pay-for-quote gob shite?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What’s this got to do with Farage? Or is he now a pay-for-quote gob shite?

Exactly.

 

[Jim D]

I have been in a similar position although the decision to switch off the machine wasn't mine as I wasn't next of kin, and my brother was 21. The doctors said his brain wasn't functioning after contracting encephalitus. It takes two different doctors to make a diagnosis like that, and doctors are the experts. Of course, doctors can make mistakes, but generally speaking, they know more than us.
Parents of a small child will be very emotional, and not very rational. There were four different courts who decided the medical advice was right, and also included the European Court of Human Rights, but somehow Nigel Farage has managed to agree with American media that we have death panels here.

I have no axe to grind regarding medical experts and their advice. I am completely certain that they give this with absolute impartiality. However, I am under no delusions that this advice is invariably correct. There was a case a few years ago where a young boy was smuggled outside the country - and against the medical and court decision - for treatment overseas (Austria I believe). The parents were told that there was no possibility of success and were refused permission to travel. I believe that the treatment was successful (at least as far as it could be) and the child is now back in the country. Ok, so this was a possibly extreme example of a successful treatment - but what parent wouldn't want to take that chance? Why should they be denied an opportunity to treat their child, no matter what the odds?

 

[essexeagle]

Farage speaks his mind and tells it how it is. I believe his views are shared by the vast majority of citizens who would describe themselves on the government forms as 'white British' . Generally, for me, the man speaks sense.
Obviously, the lunatic left wing fringe will disagree with that.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I have no axe to grind regarding medical experts and their advice. I am completely certain that they give this with absolute impartiality. However, I am under no delusions that this advice is invariably correct. There was a case a few years ago where a young boy was smuggled outside the country - and against the medical and court decision - for treatment overseas (Austria I believe). The parents were told that there was no possibility of success and were refused permission to travel. I believe that the treatment was successful (at least as far as it could be) and the child is now back in the country. Ok, so this was a possibly extreme example of a successful treatment - but what parent wouldn't want to take that chance? Why should they be denied an opportunity to treat their child, no matter what the odds?

That was the difference between chemotherapy and proton treatment. The parents thought chemotherapy would be harmful whereas the proton treatment could treat the cancer without harming brain cells. It wasn't a life support machine situation.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Farage speaks his mind and tells it how it is. I believe his views are shared by the vast majority of citizens who would describe themselves on the government forms as 'white British' . Generally, for me, the man speaks sense.
Obviously, the lunatic left wing fringe will disagree with that.

Having spoken to several white British people over the last couple of days about this case, I haven't come across one who would be anywhere near agreeing with Farage on this.

Maybe you are the lunatic right-wing fringe.

 

[Jim D]

That was the difference between chemotherapy and proton treatment. The parents thought chemotherapy would be harmful whereas the proton treatment could treat the cancer without harming brain cells. It wasn't a life support machine situation.

I assume that you're talking about the Austrian kid? Whatever it was, the medical 'experts' in the UK were either wrong or concerned about costs. No life support was obvious - or else they couldn't have got him out of the country. That doesn't avoid the point that the recent kids parents weren't allowed an option to take him outside the country for treatment.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I assume that you're talking about the Austrian kid? Whatever it was, the medical 'experts' in the UK were either wrong or concerned about costs. No life support was obvious - or else they couldn't have got him out of the country. That doesn't avoid the point that the recent kids parents weren't allowed an option to take him outside the country for treatment.

The proton treatment wasn't available here,and was very much in the experimental stage.
I'm not saying the doctors were right to prevent him going but it is a different scenario.

 

[cunning fergus]

The proton treatment wasn't available here,and was very much in the experimental stage.
I'm not saying the doctors were right to prevent him going but it is a different scenario.

A £65bn bill on the taxpayers for clinical negligence by staff (no doubt including doctors) suggests that sometimes the NHS get it wrong.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nkrupt-crisis-heathcare-experts-a8191241.html

The NHS is not and should not be a sacred cow, given how much UK taxpayers money is allocated to the thing, criticising how it operates is entirely reasonable. This case is no different, it demonstrates how the “rights” of parents is subordinate to the power of doctors.

Let’s hope none of us ever have to face that legal construct.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

A £65bn bill on the taxpayers for clinical negligence by staff (no doubt including doctors) suggests that sometimes the NHS get it wrong.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...nkrupt-crisis-heathcare-experts-a8191241.html

it demonstrates how the “rights” of parents is subordinate to the power of doctors.
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Which in this case they got absolutely right. It shows the limits of the cult off individual rights.