[Football] Martinelli sent off

[Tim Over Whelmed]

Not so sure. I'm not going to say he was wrong to give the two yellows. They were both yellow card offences, and he shouldn't get a pass on the second just because they didn't stop the first. The whole 'if he's already on a yellow he doesn't make the second challenge' is a bad argument for me - we shouldn't accept that the yellow card is there for everyone to have one free hit. That players will make an illegal challenge if they know it's only a yellow. That's not the spirit of the game. If he knows that challenge is yellow card worthy he shouldn't make it, and the whole 'if he's on a yellow' inherently requires him to know it's a yellow card challenge.

But at the same time, I can't say it was totally good reffing. That first foul wasn't an accident. He was clearly het up and getting 'over excited' - "good reffing" would have been to have noticed that and recognised if he let play continue Martinelli was at risk of going in with too much force.

But Wolves were on a break, good referring is to let the game flow and continue the advantage they'd created, shirley?

 

[Braggfan]

There's is only one person at fault in any of this and that's Martinelli. He gave the ref a decision to make. I wouldn't argue that its unusual to get sent off like that, but that makes him even more of a plum for getting himself sent off in such a stupid fashion.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

I remember watching Pascal Gross doing something similar a couple of years ago at The Amex - he could have been sent off....

 

[schmunk]

I remember watching Pascal Gross doing something similar a couple of years ago at The Amex - he could have been sent off....

Do you mean Davy Propper?

 

[HalfaSeatOn]

A ref should say to player ‘you are yellow carded’ as play continues. At least then the player knows their status.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Question for everyone. If we say pushing a player in the chest and getting into words is probably a yellow....

Would you all give 2 yellows if the player in question did it to two different players in the same skirmish? It's 2 yellow's isn't it?

Or is that seen as one single moment of the player losing his head a bit? If so, then you could argue last night shouldn't have been a yellow.

I personally don't feel it's right to award the 2nd yellow if the player has no idea he has been booked for the first and advantage was being played from the first infringement.

Just my opinion, like.

 

[schmunk]

Question for everyone. If we say pushing a player in the chest and getting into words is probably a yellow....

Would you all give 2 yellows if the player in question did it to two different players in the same skirmish? It's 2 yellow's isn't it?

Or is that seen as one single moment of the player losing his head a bit? If so, then you could argue last night shouldn't have been a yellow.

I personally don't feel it's right to award the 2nd yellow if the player has no idea he has been booked for the first and advantage was being played from the first infringement.

Just my opinion, like.

Should someone who drives at 90mph through two successive speed cameras receive two speeding fines/points...?

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Do you mean Davy Propper?

Reading through this thread I was hoping that THIS gif hadn't been used, as they are both bookable offences right there.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Should someone who drives at 90mph through two successive speed cameras receive two speeding fines/points...?

One could lead to people dying............

The other is a game of football.

Come on.

 

[Acker79]

It doesn't need to be a goal scoring advantage, and it proves the ref got it right, Martinelli had to bring him down to stop the attack, he got sent off and they got a free-kick in a really dangerous area.

If he brings it back for the throw Arsenal re-organise and Wolves are highly unlikely to get that good a position from the re-start.

No, it doesn't have to be a goal scoring opportunity to allow advantage, but when assessing if it's wise to allow play to carry on, the degree of advantage should be important. This guy might lunge in and break someone's leg if I let it continue, if i don't what am I costing Wolves? In this instance it was progression up the pitch rather than a clear goal scoring opportunity.

He didn't have to bring him down to stop the attack. He brought him down because he was worked up and not in total control. He had other teammates around who could have assisted in defending the attack.

The freekick was barely in the final third and was out wide - not the most dangerous of areas - Arsenal were able to arrange a defence and fend off the danger, . Exactly the thing you say they would have done if the throw in was brought back. Ultimately, the only advantage Wolves got out of this passage of play, was their opponents being reduced to ten men. Are we really wanting refs to let play go on in the hope we can get lots more players sent off?

But Wolves were on a break, good referring is to let the game flow and continue the advantage they'd created, shirley?

As noted earlier, player safety is also an important part of good refereeing.




Let me be clear, in case anyone is confused - I'm not saying it was "bad" refereeing. I'm not saying he was wrong to give both yellows. I wouldn't say he was wrong to allow the play to continue. I just think a good referee would have recognised that:

- it was arguable the ball was even in play (- the foul occurred while the throw in was being taken. A reasonable argument can be made the throw wasn't legitimate and so the game hadn't restarted, with the ball out of play he needs to give the yellow card before allowing the game to restart).
- the advantage was limited
-the offending player was exhibiting overly aggressive behaviour at a point where he was already needing to be booked for an aggressive act, and player safety is one of the most important considerations.


How much criticism would the ref have received if he stopped play and gave the first yellow? I honestly don't think it would have even been a talking point. At most there would be "could it have been a red for a hand to the face?".

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Do you mean Davy Propper?

Yes!

 

[Gazwag]

A ref should say to player ‘you are yellow carded’ as play continues. At least then the player knows their status.

Im not sure that is possible when a player is sprinting away with the noise in the stadium