You dont have to give away 51% in assets of your club, just 51% of control. Fans wouldnt own anything however would have the casting vote on major decisions.
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[Football] Liverpool and Manchester United lead ‘European League’ breakout league idea
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You dont have to give away 51% in assets of your club, just 51% of control. Fans wouldnt own anything however would have the casting vote on major decisions.
Sid in the Sharknado
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Could go for something like the Lewes FC model and sell a share of the vote for £30 a year.
A system that somehow manages to monetise socialism.
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Kalimantan Gull
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I suppose it doesn't have to be 51% of the value of the club, but 51% of certain decision making.
How does it work in Germany?
It appears that ultimately members have 51% voting rights of each club’s holding company.
An investor or investors can never exceed a 49% stake. German clubs therefore cannot attract wealthy owners, who want more than a bit part say. The club (as an asset) can never be sold on.
Two exceptions - Leverkusen and Wolfsburg were already 100% owner by Bayer and VWAG respectively, so that was allowed to carry on.
So, Mansour and Abramovich would have to forfeit 51% of their control via voting rights to members. They would never be able to sell the club on. Instead just selling their then minority stake.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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I never realised the Archbishop of Canterbury made a statement against it.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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It's technically still going tonight.
Are Real Madrid going to play with themselves ?
Are Real Madrid going to play with themselves ?
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
Everyone out
European Super League: All six Premier League teams withdraw from competition - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56823501
European Super League: All six Premier League teams withdraw from competition - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56823501
B-right-on
Living the dream
Isn't RB Leipzig and Saltzburg both owned by Red Bull 100% and they somehow got around this fans rule? And so hated by the other clubs for that? Remember watching some program on it a few years ago.
B-right-on
Living the dream
Agree, Arsenal were the only ones that said 'we ****ed it up and got it wrong'. Atleast admitting their mistake. The others just said 'we are leaving' taking zero responsibility for the effects that they caused.
Welcome news that the ESL is dead but this idea is the culmination of years of the shift in football from the working class game to a commercial enterprise focused on corporate relationships. The irony of the Premier League complaining about money grabbing should not be lost on anyone. Us fans have been "consumers" for years and we've allowed it by willingly paying the Sky (and now BT and Amazon) subs, accepting the high ticket prices, entitled players, scumbag agents, corporate tie ins, overpriced merch and more for the payoff of safe and comfortable stadiums, some of the best players in the world in our top league and access to the circus of the modern game.
Of course BHA have not been at the forefront of this and the glitz of the PL seemed a long way off in the heady days of Withdean on a cold, wet Tuesday night in January but the honest truth is collectively, the British football fan has allowed this situation to become possible by accepting all the little trade offs for the carrots of shiner baubles. The ESL was the shiniest of them all and thank goodness collectively we woke up to it.
Of course not everything is bad and safe stadiums, family friendly and inclusive grounds, the good that many clubs (esp BHA) do in their communities, the status of BHA as a PL team etc are all good. The commercial and societal realities of where we are now have to be recognised and it would be naive to think we can take some time machine back to 1990, and frankly, nor should we. The nostalgic aspects of football 30 years ago also can mask the negative, and I would be lying if I said I am not so glad to be at Falmer watching (eventually) PL football and not Withdean in the rain, but the positive aspects of where the game is now could have been achieved without the undermining of the club ethos, without selling the soul of football to the media moguls and disenfranchised billionaire owners. Sadly as much as we have seen fan action have an effect (not least in our own club history), the overall situation has been a collective sleepwalking into this position.
I am really hoping that this debacle allows something to happen to redress this balance and helps all clubs, including ours, to remember who it is that is at the heart of any club for the long haul and find ways of ensuring they have meaningful representation within the club. I am less confident that the pushback against the ESL will translate into anything that has a meaningful effect on the money grabbing by the PL, the cost of TV rights, the cost of attending games, better distribution of money throughout the game, better support for grassroots football.
Ultimately the rancour of the PL, UEFA and FIFA was not about what is best for the fans, it's about the protection of their revenue streams and I worry that this will now all die down and they will be the winners, simply able to go on doing what they've been doing for years and we keep accepting.
Of course BHA have not been at the forefront of this and the glitz of the PL seemed a long way off in the heady days of Withdean on a cold, wet Tuesday night in January but the honest truth is collectively, the British football fan has allowed this situation to become possible by accepting all the little trade offs for the carrots of shiner baubles. The ESL was the shiniest of them all and thank goodness collectively we woke up to it.
Of course not everything is bad and safe stadiums, family friendly and inclusive grounds, the good that many clubs (esp BHA) do in their communities, the status of BHA as a PL team etc are all good. The commercial and societal realities of where we are now have to be recognised and it would be naive to think we can take some time machine back to 1990, and frankly, nor should we. The nostalgic aspects of football 30 years ago also can mask the negative, and I would be lying if I said I am not so glad to be at Falmer watching (eventually) PL football and not Withdean in the rain, but the positive aspects of where the game is now could have been achieved without the undermining of the club ethos, without selling the soul of football to the media moguls and disenfranchised billionaire owners. Sadly as much as we have seen fan action have an effect (not least in our own club history), the overall situation has been a collective sleepwalking into this position.
I am really hoping that this debacle allows something to happen to redress this balance and helps all clubs, including ours, to remember who it is that is at the heart of any club for the long haul and find ways of ensuring they have meaningful representation within the club. I am less confident that the pushback against the ESL will translate into anything that has a meaningful effect on the money grabbing by the PL, the cost of TV rights, the cost of attending games, better distribution of money throughout the game, better support for grassroots football.
Ultimately the rancour of the PL, UEFA and FIFA was not about what is best for the fans, it's about the protection of their revenue streams and I worry that this will now all die down and they will be the winners, simply able to go on doing what they've been doing for years and we keep accepting.
banjo
GOSBTS
What a bunch of wankers.
Which rules have they actually broken?
Anyone else notice the CL changes UEFA voted through making it more of a closed shop?
No, not many would have.... almost like this is all planned
Under the new rules and the Premier League finished with everyone in their current league place:
Top 4 in the Champions League
5th place West Ham in Europa League
6th and 7th place Liverpool and Spurs in the Champion's League through the legacy type qualification Linked to history in Europe.
More games/more prize money
No, not many would have.... almost like this is all planned
Under the new rules and the Premier League finished with everyone in their current league place:
Top 4 in the Champions League
5th place West Ham in Europa League
6th and 7th place Liverpool and Spurs in the Champion's League through the legacy type qualification Linked to history in Europe.
More games/more prize money
Neville's Breakfast
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That sounds bad but not as bad as the ESL. Basically it’s like a school sports day where everyone gets a prize but at least Liverpool and Spurs qualification is not at the expense of west ham and Leicester.
Edit; just noticed west ham only get Europa league. You are right
I can see this point being well made a few posts earlier. Assume it's been made a few times, but I don't like the idea of the reaction as a mandate on Sky/Premier League as saviours or upholders of the game.
Sky and the PL created the environment where the Super League was viable. Their howling in response wasn't in line with the reaction of fans. It was the fear of losing out financially and the damage to their brand.
Sky and the PL created the environment where the Super League was viable. Their howling in response wasn't in line with the reaction of fans. It was the fear of losing out financially and the damage to their brand.
Washie
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This was already the plan before the ESL announcement. They actually wanted more than that.
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KeegansHairPiece
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There is a written rule about which competitions youre sanctioned to enter. The ESL isn’t one of them so it breaks that rule for starters.