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Jeremy Corbyn.
- Thread starter Diablo
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I can't be arsed to list everything but broadly speaking the young, the low paid, the vulnerable.
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
So you would vote for any wealthy youngster, any low paid person that was happy in their job....I'll agree on the vulnerable though
I think you know what I mean. But above all, I don't vote for my own interests.
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
If your interests are the young, low paid and vulnerable then I think you do ��
I am not sure I understand your point? Are you suggesting I'm young, low paid and/or vulnerable?
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
No I am suggesting that you are interested in looking after them so by default are looking after your own interests
I think most people will agree that the term "looking after your own interests" means you have a strong, personal and direct interest in something.
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
Which you obviously do about the young, low paid and vulnerable
The well being of the young, low paid and vulnerable have no direct affect on my wellbeing whatsoever. So I don't vote for my own interests. You made a daft statement and you're now seem to be trying to wriggle out of it with pedantry. I'm off to bed.
Dorset Seagull
Once Dolphin, Now Seagull
Goodnight and sleep well......I wish you no harm
clapham_gull
Legacy Fan
- Aug 20, 2003
- 25,393
He appears quite unprepared for the limelight but I imagine that's part of the appeal. The press coverage appears quite unfair though. There are some ridiculous headlines out there, even today.
Will never be Prime Minister but has obviously tapped into something. Been speaking to a few people at work, the younger generation who are trapped into lower paid jobs with no chance of ever buying a house. Many are frankly tired of back stabbing and trying to get one over on each other to get ahead.
Many of these people are quite middle class, but their parents aren't millionaires.
He has tapped into something for a huge number of people. He won't get power but don't dismiss how many are rooting for him.
His downfall will be splits within his party.
Will never be Prime Minister but has obviously tapped into something. Been speaking to a few people at work, the younger generation who are trapped into lower paid jobs with no chance of ever buying a house. Many are frankly tired of back stabbing and trying to get one over on each other to get ahead.
Many of these people are quite middle class, but their parents aren't millionaires.
He has tapped into something for a huge number of people. He won't get power but don't dismiss how many are rooting for him.
His downfall will be splits within his party.
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,329
so no example then? its good to have hypothetical ideal of how a socialist system might work, but on the current evidence it doesnt work in practice. so far socialism has always been statist in its approach.
- Apr 13, 2015
- 3,486
Of course capitalism should form the basis for any political system, it's a no brainer, proven to provide the best standards of living for the majority of citizens, and in most cases provide a significant flow of economic support for those other nations who struggle on the fringes of economic development.
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ComRes poll: No 'bounce' for Corbyn...
Con 42% (+2)
Lab 30% (+1)
UKIP 13% (0)
Lib Dem 7% (-1)
Green 3% (-1)
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2015/09/19/no-poll-bounce-for-jeremy-corbyn/
Con 42% (+2)
Lab 30% (+1)
UKIP 13% (0)
Lib Dem 7% (-1)
Green 3% (-1)
http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2015/09/19/no-poll-bounce-for-jeremy-corbyn/
It's not as black and white as either completely free market capitalism or communist-style socialism, though. Even under our current government, which supports the free market, we have state officials who decide on how some resources are allocated. We have a National Health Service, Armed Forces, a benefits system, many other things that are funded and controlled by the state. Under a Corbyn government, we'd still have a free market, there would still be businesses competing for resources and services. In this country, at least for the forseeable future, we're never going to be a socialist/communist 'utopia' where the state controls everything, and neither are we going to be a completely anarchist state, every man for himself etc. Neither Corbyn nor Cameron are anywhere near these extremes - they just lie on different positions in the spectrum. Which one you prefer (or other) just depends on (in VERY simple and purely economical terms) how much you believe the state should help out the poorest, at the expense of the richest.
Comparisons to Soviet Russia or East Germany are completely unfair - these were both communist regimes. Communism is a very extreme version of socialism and quite different to what Corbyn advocates, at least as far as I understand it.
People often say that socialism doesn't work, because there have never been any successful socialist states. But they use the extreme examples of socialism (communism) to back this up. With this logic, there have never been any successful capitalist states either - a truly capitalist state wouldn't even have the need for a government.
Obviously extreme versions of politics don't work, but there are many successful societies who lie on either side of the spectrum from the U.K.
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Doc Lynam
I hate the Daily Mail
- Jun 19, 2011
- 7,208
Tories now criticising him for not going to the rugby!
Conservative MP Damian Collins added: "He should be there to support England and cheer on his country - it is a snub and people won't understand why he has turned it down."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-criticised-jeremy-corbyn-not-6478713#rlabs=7%20rt$category%20p$7
Conservative MP Damian Collins added: "He should be there to support England and cheer on his country - it is a snub and people won't understand why he has turned it down."
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tories-criticised-jeremy-corbyn-not-6478713#rlabs=7%20rt$category%20p$7
Dandyman
In London village.
Jeremy Corbyn was serving his constituents, while Cameron was enjoying a freebie from the tax payer. The hypocrisy of the Tories never ends.
Probably taking a spin in the new car instead and having a carvery with his pay rise.
Corbyn accepts pay rise and a state-funded car .
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4558105.ece
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,329
while the "best standards" doesnt apply to world population, equally, no one live in abject poverty because of capitalism. one could say that many live in poverty despite capitalism. the fact many nations have under-developed economies, some borderline feudalism, corruption and oligarchies are reasons that many are still in poverty.