Jeremy Corbyn.

[cunning fergus]

Your argument reminds me of that "where's the missing pound" maths puzzle.

Yes of course, I'm a Tory. Well done.

You stated earlier in this thread that ownership of DB AG by private capitalists in comparison to full state nationalisation were "finer details".

If you were socialist minded you would understand the absurdity of such a statement.

You are comfortable with capitalists deriving profit from state assets.........it's why you support the EU.

It's why Blair removed clause IV from the Labour Party's objectives..........if you and others like Toynbee don't understand the importance of this issue, you don't understand state socialism.

Ergo you are Tories........as I have told you dozens of times previously.

 

[BLOCK F]

Cunning, you really are losing it.
Thank God there aren't too many Cunning Fergi around.
Enjoy all the attention and excitement while you can!

 

[cunning fergus]

Cunning, you really are losing it.
Thank God there aren't too many Cunning Fergi around.
Enjoy all the attention and excitement while you can!

How so?

State socialism on fundamental principle would not ascribe to ownership models that allow for the distribution of profits to capitalist shareholders.

At best workers cooperatives or other state owned concerned would benefit from any excess revenues generated by a "profitable" state owned concern.

Blair removed clause IV so that private capitalists can benefit from previously state owned concerns.

You may not agree that the rail network should be re-nationalised, but unless I have missed a meeting socialist minded individuals would not want ANY capitalist concerns involved.........and if he sticks to his long held beliefs neither would Corbyn.

 

[Surf's Up]

I thought Polly Toynbee had been branded a "Red Tory" - obviously not far enough to the left of centre for the Corbynistas!!

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...5-live-hustings-burnham-cooper-kendall-corbyn

This is funny, looking at a snap shot of the hustings

My first analysis was T on the left H20 on the right

 

[Soulman]

Hmmmmm,
LABOUR leadership favourite Jeremy Corbyn has accepted more than £90,000 from the trade unions.
The money includes an interest-free loan from Unite, which Mr Corbyn was handed just one day after tabling a motion in the House of Commons in support of the union.

Mr Corbyn also received £25,000 from the RMT union and £10,000 from Aslef.

Unite and Aslef have also been providing the MP with "serviced offices" at a reported value of nearly £6,000.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/600426/Labour-leadership-Jeremy-Corbyn-90000-unions

 

[Vegas Seagull]

Hmmmmm,
LABOUR leadership favourite Jeremy Corbyn has accepted more than £90,000 from the trade unions.
The money includes an interest-free loan from Unite, which Mr Corbyn was handed just one day after tabling a motion in the House of Commons in support of the union.

Mr Corbyn also received £25,000 from the RMT union and £10,000 from Aslef.

Unite and Aslef have also been providing the MP with "serviced offices" at a reported value of nearly £6,000.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/600426/Labour-leadership-Jeremy-Corbyn-90000-unions

Too little, too late
He has an incredible 13,000 volunteers manning dozens of offices to call in votes, so irrelevant & debatable costs of minor office space are exactly that, irrelevant

 

[glasfryn]

How selfish and nasty must be the right-wing end of the Tory party ?

you need to ask?

 

[lawros left foot]

There are three things I don't understand about this election, and I don't know if they have been covered on this thread as I haven't read it all
1. I live in a Tory stronghold, so I vote as tactically as possible, hence, although left leaning by instinct, I have only voted Labour a couple of times. On the evidence of that would I have been denied a membership of the Labour party had I applied.
2. If the above point is true, how does Labour, or any political party know how I vote in what is meant to be a secret vote (General Election, Council Election etc)
3.If Corbyn is going to lead to the death of the Labour Party, as we know it, why don't two of the opposing candidates drop out, and unite against him.
Doesn't this prove, that this election is more a vanity project for the non left wing candidates, and not about the very existence of the party?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

By this sort of analysis, that's you and me both, squire.

Quite hilarious.

See you down The Carlton Club old bean.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You stated earlier in this thread that ownership of DB AG by private capitalists in comparison to full state nationalisation were "finer details".

If you were socialist minded you would understand the absurdity of such a statement.

You are comfortable with capitalists deriving profit from state assets.........it's why you support the EU.

It's why Blair removed clause IV from the Labour Party's objectives..........if you and others like Toynbee don't understand the importance of this issue, you don't understand state socialism.

Ergo you are Tories........as I have told you dozens of times previously.

Have you been drinking?

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Have you been drinking?

To be fair, you were saying only a couple of months ago that people shouldn't get tax relief on the interest on their Buy2Let properties... and it appears George Osbourne agreed with you.

Tory boy!

 

[franks brother]

https://markfiddaman.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/6-links-jeremy-corbyn-doesnt-want-you-to-know-about/
A must read!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

To be fair, you were saying only a couple of months ago that people shouldn't get tax relief on the interest on their Buy2Let properties... and it appears George Osbourne agreed with you.

Tory boy!

It's a fair cop

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Corbyn's the man to realign the Labour Party to the politics of Tony Benn. Might pay off, might not pay off, but at least it's nailing his colours to the socialist roots mast. Might even be enough to regain much of Scotland from the SNP. Certainly nothing much to be gained from another term of acting like ToryLite whereby the players certainly don't believe in it and the voters certainly won't fall for it.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

You stated earlier in this thread that ownership of DB AG by private capitalists in comparison to full state nationalisation were "finer details".

If you were socialist minded you would understand the absurdity of such a statement.

I am socialist minded and I do indeed understand the absurdity of your statement, primarily because it's wrong as DB AG is state owned and controlled .....as I have mentioned a few times. I don't really see how this conflicts with my democratic socialist beliefs.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

It's a fair cop

and when the leadership election race started I'm pretty sure you said Burham was your choice.

Voting for Corbyn is some change of mind as they are poles apart!

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

There are three things I don't understand about this election, and I don't know if they have been covered on this thread as I haven't read it all
1. I live in a Tory stronghold, so I vote as tactically as possible, hence, although left leaning by instinct, I have only voted Labour a couple of times. On the evidence of that would I have been denied a membership of the Labour party had I applied.
2. If the above point is true, how does Labour, or any political party know how I vote in what is meant to be a secret vote (General Election, Council Election etc)
3.If Corbyn is going to lead to the death of the Labour Party, as we know it, why don't two of the opposing candidates drop out, and unite against him.
Doesn't this prove, that this election is more a vanity project for the non left wing candidates, and not about the very existence of the party?

Agree with point 3

IMO Kendall and Cooper should have pulled out, leaving Burnham with a chance.

Now the right of the Labour Party is split in three, leaving Corbyn with an open goal, and the Labour Patty in the wilderness.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

and when the leadership election race started I'm pretty sure you said Burham was your choice.

Voting for Corbyn is some change of mind as they are poles apart!

Correct. At that time I don't believe Corbyn had declared he was standing. I certainly wasn't aware of him when I made my early declaration. At that time Burnham was the best of an uninspiring bunch; I can only vote for those that make themselves available. Thank heavens for Corbyn.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Corbyn's the man to realign the Labour Party to the politics of Tony Benn. Might pay off, might not pay off, but at least it's nailing his colours to the socialist roots mast. Might even be enough to regain much of Scotland from the SNP. Certainly nothing much to be gained from another term of acting like ToryLite whereby the players certainly don't believe in it and the voters certainly won't fall for it.

This