ISIL making headline again

[Soulman]

This makes me so sad and angry.

Not just at ISIS, the most evil and dangerous ideology in living memory, but at Western Leaders intervention which led to their creation. Why the **** couldn't our countries have just left Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc alone. We have essentially done the Jihadi scum's hard work for them, by removing the strong leaders of the Middle East and allowing these extremist scum to terrorise their way into, what has now become, power.

It's all so utterly tragic and unforgivable... and I don't know how this can end, or whether it will end. **** you Blair, Bush, Cameron, Obama you war mongering ****s who spread your twisted idea of democracy onto nations that are not ready or suitable for it. This is what the result of it is, you all have blood on your hands, I hope you can't live with yourselves.

I suppose the trouble in Chad, Nigeria, Yemen, Somalia, Southern Thailand, Pakistan etc can also all be blamed on the West.

 

[Soulman]

There are some political decisions that have happened in the Middle East over the past 70 years from outside influences from Britain,USA,Russia,France to name a few,that ranges from the questionable to what on earth were you thinking.
These are of course all fantastic opinions we can all have when hindsight is brought in.

There is a mindset however of some that will use this thinking to do whatever they can to blame Blair,Bush,Cameron and Obama(ironically a President who is lambasted daily by the right wing USA media for not being a tough warmonger and too soft for not getting involved enough militarily in the Middle East) and they will also tell you the barbaric acts carried out are simply because of Iraq and the guilty mentioned above,they wont tell you however about a growing Islamic death cult since the 1990`s and its growth fuelled and aided by the simplicity of modern communications like the internet.No,they will tell you the Iraq war is solely to blame.

Its no surprise to me extreme socialists will push this agenda and try to tell you its better propping up maniac murderous despots than Fanatical Muslims,they would say this though because most of these maniac despots in that region based their whole system on a socialist revolutionist ideology. Gaddafi`s "Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya" state based on direct democracy being a good example.Never criticise your own no matter how evil they are applies nicely here.

I would hope people,and i suspect many actually do to see through this smokescreen of blame.


As for the initial post by [MENTION=13923]carlzeiss[/MENTION] which mustafa has managed to deflect straight away into a red herring(because we must never discuss nasty muslims) oddly enough i dont blame Blair,Bush,Cameron or Obama for these 21 coptic christians being taken down to the beach and being beheaded,nor do i blame them for putting a man in a cage setting fire to him and at the very last instant of his life dropping tonnes of rubble on his head from a bulldozer .I certainly dont blame Blair Bush et all either for beheading a western hostage and stopping half way through whilst he is in the utmost pain to get a good camera shot.

These acts and their depravity can solely be laid on the followers of the Worldwide Islamic Caliphate and their outdated Medieval ignorant adherence to what is just another daft religion.Blaming solely Blair Bush etc for the acts of an islam based caliphate formed in June 2014 stinks of rank naive stupidity

Good points.

 

[vegster]

This makes me so sad and angry.

Not just at ISIS, the most evil and dangerous ideology in living memory, but at Western Leaders intervention which led to their creation. Why the **** couldn't our countries have just left Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc alone. We have essentially done the Jihadi scum's hard work for them, by removing the strong leaders of the Middle East and allowing these extremist scum to terrorise their way into, what has now become, power.

It's all so utterly tragic and unforgivable... and I don't know how this can end, or whether it will end. **** you Blair, Bush, Cameron, Obama you war mongering ****s who spread your twisted idea of democracy onto nations that are not ready or suitable for it. This is what the result of it is, you all have blood on your hands, I hope you can't live with yourselves.

I think the Taliban which were the pre coursers of the extreme branch of Islamic State, were around long before Blair /Bush interfered. There was a programme the other week in which it was revealed they used to skin and or stone Russian prisoners alive in the 80's.

 

[Questions]

I think the Taliban which were the pre coursers of the extreme branch of Islamic State, were around long before Blair /Bush interfered. There was a programme the other week in which it was revealed they used to skin and or stone Russian prisoners alive in the 80's.

I remember them. The ones funded by the west to defeat the Ruskies.

 

[vegster]

I remember them. The ones funded by the west to defeat the Ruskies.

Indeed,what a terrible investment that has proved to be, they never bought M-16's or Heckler and Koch's, we had no return on all those Dollars.

 

[Fred Oliver - Legend]

mod edit: advocating genocide isn't acceptable. Thanks though.

 

[daveinprague]

I remember them. The ones funded by the west to defeat the Ruskies.

Ive read that the CIA funded the Viet Minh after WW2 as they considered them freedom fighters against colonial occupation. Similar outcome.

 

[daveinprague]

Mod edit: not so much.

When you joining up to fight?

Apart from anything else, we have just coughed up 300k for a half decent midfielder.

 

[StonehamPark]

Why the **** couldn't our countries have just left Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc alone. We have essentially done the Jihadi scum's hard work for them, by removing the strong leaders of the Middle East and allowing these extremist scum to terrorise their way into, what has now become, power.

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It's all so utterly tragic and unforgivable... and I don't know how this can end, or whether it will end. **** you Blair, Bush, Cameron, Obama you war mongering ****s who spread your twisted idea of democracy onto nations that are not ready or suitable for it. This is what the result of it is, you all have blood on your hands, I hope you can't live with yourselves.

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[clungemeister]

This makes me so sad and angry.

Not just at ISIS, the most evil and dangerous ideology in living memory, but at Western Leaders intervention which led to their creation. Why the **** couldn't our countries have just left Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Syria, etc alone. We have essentially done the Jihadi scum's hard work for them, by removing the strong leaders of the Middle East and allowing these extremist scum to terrorise their way into, what has now become, power.

It's all so utterly tragic and unforgivable... and I don't know how this can end, or whether it will end. **** you Blair, Bush, Cameron, Obama you war mongering ****s who spread your twisted idea of democracy onto nations that are not ready or suitable for it. This is what the result of it is, you all have blood on your hands, I hope you can't live with yourselves.

so why would any civilised bunch of chaps be unready for democracy....??....the answer would appear to be that they are not civilised..!

cavemen perhaps in their thinking....unable to live alongside or co-habitate with another group supporting or following another religion or even another schism of the same religion......you can peddle your unicycle along this tight-rope as long as you like...thers's a big eff off drop at the end....x

 

[father_and_son]

I don't think they read NSC.

BLair, Bush and CallMeDave... No.


But I have it on good authority that O'Bama is a prolific poster on here, he just uses another name.

 

[symyjym]

so why would any civilised bunch of chaps be unready for democracy....??....the answer would appear to be that they are not civilised..!

cavemen perhaps in their thinking....unable to live alongside or co-habitate with another group supporting or following another religion or even another schism of the same religion......you can peddle your unicycle along this tight-rope as long as you like...thers's a big eff off drop at the end....x

How can we preach democracy when the UN voted against the war in Iraq? Was going there illegally an act of civilised nations?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Those ISIL boys really know how to make friends and influence people

 

[clungemeister]

How can we preach democracy when the UN voted against the war in Iraq? Was going there illegally an act of civilised nations?

was invading Kuwait and bombing the oil-fields the of behaviour of a strong , enlightened leader..?

 

[daveinprague]

was invading Kuwait and bombing the oil-fields the of behaviour of a strong , enlightened leader..?

Iraq invaded Kuwait following repeated warnings about stealing oil from Iraq as I remember it. Theres been invasions for a lot less.
Kuwait formally being Southern Iraq, and found to have oil, so in WW1, when the British discovered the oil there, it became the British Arab Protectorate, and becoming Kuwait in 1962.

 

[clungemeister]

Iraq invaded Kuwait following repeated warnings about stealing oil from Iraq as I remember it. Theres been invasions for a lot less.
Kuwait formally being Southern Iraq, and found to have oil, so in WW1, when the British discovered the oil there, it became the British Arab Protectorate, and becoming Kuwait in 1962.

so was the invasion of the former southern iraq and subsequent sparking up of numerous oil wells the act of a strong , elightened leader and if so is the op correct when he blames western leaders for the decapitation of 21 Egyptian aid workers , on a beach , in Lybia.

 

[daveinprague]

Well, Im not entirely sure the connection between a more secular view of Saddam, and ISIL is.
ISIL was formed during the US/British occupation of Iraq.
So, the ultimate reason for the existance of ISIL stems from the west.

The invasion of Kuwait, possibly can be seen as a strong, englightened leader, particularly from an Iraqi perspective.
The burning of oil was an act of desperation from a country fighting a world superpower and allies.

 

[symyjym]

was invading Kuwait and bombing the oil-fields the of behaviour of a strong , enlightened leader..?

Was arming Saddam, including with chemical weapons, for the war against Iran a humanitarian act? America used him to fight their war, just like they used the Taliban to fight Russia.

We can also look at the crime committed against Vietnam using Agent Orange to melt the country, so If we are talking about the world being civilised and democratic, we have not been a shining example for the way forward.

 

[symyjym]

Well, Im not entirely sure the connection between a more secular view of Saddam, and ISIL is.
ISIL was formed during the US/British occupation of Iraq.
So, the ultimate reason for the existance of ISIL stems from the west.

The invasion of Kuwait, possibly can be seen as a strong, englightened leader, particularly from an Iraqi perspective.
The burning of oil was an act of desperation from a country fighting a world superpower and allies.

Quite. Saddams Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz and right hand man was a Christian.

 

[The Andy Naylor Fan Club]

So its all the wests fault, would you include Boko Haram as well?

Personally I think you are in denial about the root of the problem, I came across these types in the 1990s.

Blimey. I didn't realise that Fred and Rosemary were so influential, along with that classic song " A Whiter Shade of Pale".