[Politics] Immigration detention centres

[worthingseagull123]

The majority are definitely NOT economic migrants. Over 75% of asylum applications are approved. There is absolutely no way that a UK Home Office (led by Braverman/Patel) would be approving any but the most genuine of cases. And the majority of asylum-seekers who come to the UK have some sort of family connection. Others come here because they know English. And - by the way - the vast, vast majority of migrants DO stay in other countries. In the grand scheme of things the numbers coming to the UK aren't huge. There are FOUR MILLION refugees in Turkey!!
It's about time we started treating these people as human beings. And that includes dealing with their asylum applications in a timely manner. If we did, we'd find most of them would then be able to work, earn money, and no doubt start to alleviate the massive labour shortages in areas like hospitality and health & social care.

The percentage approved is much higher in the UK than other European nations. We seem to be more lenient and give more people the benefit of the doubt.

As for treating these people as human beings, we feed them, we house them, we provide access to paid legal aid.

The French leave them to live in tents and shanty towns and leave it to charity organisations to feed them.

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

If they want to come to the UK they should apply through the proper channels.

what a silly sentence, they did, there’s only one, and they seem to be sticking to it, the English Channel.

 

[macbeth]

Wait... you have them in detention centers while they are applying?

yep. you get here, you're taken to a centre until your application is dealt with many months later. nasty, isn't it? not all asylum seekers are in detention, but if you're application is rejected you'll also be taken to the same centres

 

[Swansman]

@macbeth mind adding some words to the reply above?

 

[macbeth]

@macbeth mind adding some words to the reply above?

hahaha sorry, phone decided to do its own thing. should be there now.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Yes. Certainly nationalities whereby asylum claims can be considered quickly and travel documents can be easily obtained for removal could well be detained for 2-4 weeks.

Albanians, Romanians, Bangladesh Turkish, Georgians, Americans (yes 50 odd US citizens claim asylum each years as well other developed nations) etc.

Obviously not family cases, but adults. Prevents absconding.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Is that under this definition of a refugee

“a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster”

The definition of a refugee or asylum seeker from the experts. The Refugee Council.

The truth about asylum

You can rely on our facts and figures to get the true picture about the situation—and help spread the truth about asylum.

www.refugeecouncil.org.uk

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There are schemes for refugees to train for the NHS. This is from the BMA.

Help for refugee doctors

The steps you can take to get a job as a doctor in the UK, more about our refugee doctor initiative and help with GMC registration.

www.bma.org.uk

 

[LamieRobertson]

The definition of a refugee or asylum seeker from the experts. The Refugee Council.

The truth about asylum

You can rely on our facts and figures to get the true picture about the situation—and help spread the truth about asylum.

www.refugeecouncil.org.uk

So not the one in the Oxford English Dictionary

 

[Thunder Bolt]

We grant refugee status at a far higher proportion than other European countries.

Grant refugee status yes, but not the amount of refugees. It’s already been established that 80% are genuine.
Britain is 14th in Europe for the number we take in.

A few countries take responsibility for most of the world's refugees

Over 20 million refugees have been granted protection in another country in the last ten years. A few countries are bearing almost all the responsibility, while most countries in the world have scarcely received any refugees at all.

www.nrc.no

 

[Thunder Bolt]

The percentage approved is much higher in the UK than other European nations. We seem to be more lenient and give more people the benefit of the doubt.

As for treating these people as human beings, we feed them, we house them, we provide access to paid legal aid.

The French leave them to live in tents and shanty towns and leave it to charity organisations to feed them.

That sounds like what we’re having to do with our own families here with food banks whilst being robbed blind by corrupt politicians.

 

[Swansman]

yep. you get here, you're taken to a centre until your application is dealt with many months later. nasty, isn't it? not all asylum seekers are in detention, but if you're application is rejected you'll also be taken to the same centres

Ok. Here the detention centers are only for those who had their applications rejected and are awaiting to be sent home.

Those who are in the seeking process all get housing due to the Swedish Asylum Housing Obligation. If there's not enough places, the authorities need to buy or rent property to create housing.

Normally fairly basic houses:

And usually pretty tight inside with entire families living in one or two rooms... but still acceptable.

The immigration authorities (Migrationsverket) comes once or twice a week to check out how things are going. They live there for however long the application process takes, which could be anything from a few weeks to a year. If their application is approved, Migrationsverket will supply them with a normal apartment or house, if the application is denied they either remain at the asylum house until they're going home, or put in a detention center if the authorities believe that they may try to hide in Sweden.

Interesting subject this tbh and not something I thought a lot about. Probably going to spend the night reading about how the asylum process & living situations differs in various countries.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Grant refugee status yes, but not the amount of refugees. It’s already been established that 80% are genuine.
Britain is 14th in Europe for the number we take in.

A few countries take responsibility for most of the world's refugees

Over 20 million refugees have been granted protection in another country in the last ten years. A few countries are bearing almost all the responsibility, while most countries in the world have scarcely received any refugees at all.

www.nrc.no

It is not a competition as to who takes the most.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

The percentage approved is much higher in the UK than other European nations. We seem to be more lenient and give more people the benefit of the doubt.

As for treating these people as human beings, we feed them, we house them, we provide access to paid legal aid.

The French leave them to live in tents and shanty towns and leave it to charity organisations to feed them.

It is not a competition as to who takes the most.

So which is it?
I don't want you to look silly.

 

[macbeth]

Ok. Here the detention centers are only for those who had their applications rejected and are awaiting to be sent home.

Those who are in the seeking process all get housing due to the Swedish Asylum Housing Obligation. If there's not enough places, the authorities need to buy or rent property to create housing.

Normally fairly basic houses:
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And usually pretty tight inside with entire families living in one or two rooms... but still acceptable.

The immigration authorities (Migrationsverket) comes once or twice a week to check out how things are going. They live there for however long the application process takes, which could be anything from a few weeks to a year. If their application is approved, Migrationsverket will supply them with a normal apartment or house, if the application is denied they either remain at the asylum house until they're going home, or put in a detention center if the authorities believe that they may try to hide in Sweden.

Interesting subject this tbh and not something I thought a lot about. Probably going to spend the night reading about how the asylum process & living situations differs in various countries.

yes it is very interesting. did a politics degree and it totally changed my view on the type of people that were actually coming to the UK. It's very easy to get caught up in the media narrative. And whilst not perfect sweden's seems a lot better than ours. because the government have shut off nearly all ordinary routes, pretty much the only way (if you're from certain countries) is via clandestine means. it then becomes a will they/won't they catch you scenario. If you make it you get to start a life here, often via illegally working, since asylum seekers can't work by law, but if they discover you then it's off to the 'processing centre'. they let some asylum seekers have their claims processed whilst not being in these centres as there simply isn't' the facilities to process them all.

 

[worthingseagull123]

So which is it?
I don't want you to look silly.

Which is what?

We don’t take the most, but we are more likely to grant refugee status to those seeking IP.

Those are the facts

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

but the fact that they are where they are is also their responsibility.

You will do very well to remember this statement next time make a post complaining about your life….which you have done quite a few times.

 

[BBassic]

Grant refugee status yes, but not the amount of refugees. It’s already been established that 80% are genuine.
Britain is 14th in Europe for the number we take in.

A few countries take responsibility for most of the world's refugees

Over 20 million refugees have been granted protection in another country in the last ten years. A few countries are bearing almost all the responsibility, while most countries in the world have scarcely received any refugees at all.

www.nrc.no

One rather fears you are shouting into the wind.

 

[Lenny Rider]

Why? This grubby and despicable situation should be highlighted and not swept under the carpet.

Just out of interest what would your solution be?

 

[beorhthelm]

yes it is very interesting. did a politics degree and it totally changed my view on the type of people that were actually coming to the UK. It's very easy to get caught up in the media narrative. And whilst not perfect sweden's seems a lot better than ours. because the government have shut off nearly all ordinary routes, pretty much the only way (if you're from certain countries) is via clandestine means. it then becomes a will they/won't they catch you scenario. If you make it you get to start a life here, often via illegally working, since asylum seekers can't work by law, but if they discover you then it's off to the 'processing centre'. they let some asylum seekers have their claims processed whilst not being in these centres as there simply isn't' the facilities to process them all.

i'd expect all asylum seekers present themselves as soon as they are here, not wait until being caught.