if you all hate labour clap your hands

[Twinkle Toes]

typical labour voters pass the buck etc etc

Just goes to show how little you know about politics & people's allegiances.

Just a thought: why not spend a bit of time reading up on your political history? I studied the subject a good while back, & it made me realise how little I knew beforehand about the complexities of power & opposition; how events play such an important part in powerbroking; & how downright selfish & feckless most of our so-called 'representatives' actually are.

 

[Seaber]

lenry henry

Lenry Henry, love it.

What are you trying to prove by this thread? Because you've certainly made me want to change my political views with such inspired responses to your arguments as 'f*** wit'.

Well done, sir.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

It is a very difficult one this as there is a culture of reward if you are set targets and either meet or exceed them.

I get a bonus however it is not a bankers bonus but it is a nice thing to have if you didn't have it previously which I never did as I worked for that bastardised British Rail prior to privatisation.

The trouble also is that at some point I think there appears to be an expectation that you should always get it as I know many people have left my company when it wasn't paid therefore I assume they consider the bonus is part of their salary - something I don't.

British Rail might not have paid bonuses but by God they looked after their employees. My mum still gets a railway pension forty years after my dad died in service. And when my brother died, even as an ex-employee who got sick, the British Railways Pensions Board looked after his kids financially while they were going through college. Got nothing but respect for British Rail from that point of view. Hope you've been able to retain your pension benefits from pre-privatisation mate, they're worth their weight in gold.

 

[Beach Hut]

British Rail might not have paid bonuses but by God they looked after their employees. My mum still gets a railway pension forty years after my dad died in service. And when my brother died, even as an ex-employee who got sick, the British Rail Pensions Board looked after his kids while they were going through college. Got nothing but respect for British Rail from that point of view. Hope you've been able to retain your pension benefits from pre-privatisation mate, they're worth their weight in gold.

Yes it is safeguarded by the Railway Privatisation Act of Parliament and I know I am very fortunate.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Yes it is safeguarded by the Railway Privatisation Act of Parliament and I know I am very fortunate.

 

[tedebear]

I don't like the debt we're in, personally I wouldn't have bailed the banks out (I realize the possible consequences). Oddly Labour seems to have simply spent money to get the healthcare that they believed the country is entitled to, but didn't really look at where it was going (ie the consultants stories in the papers this past week). The Tories are now winding everything back in, which needs to be done, and will be painful for many many people who have gotten used to having certain things state funded. Questionable what they are picking to cut back though. Surely the top management should be the first to go of many of the social services instead of the front line workers (instead of teh senior management being allowed to decide themselves to keep their own jobs and cut back the lower rungs of the ladders).

Don't much like either party at the moment, and if we had an election right now would not have the foggiest who to vote for at all!!

 

[Rich Suvner]

i dread to think what the future holds with the merciless ungivingness these grotesque elitists stand for.

even Labour over the last two decades supported numerous transfers of wealth from public to private - effectively strengthening the power base of a small number of elites

we suffer from the illusion of choice

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Oddly Labour seems to have simply spent money to get the healthcare that they believed the country is entitled to, but didn't really look at where it was going (ie the consultants stories in the papers this past week).

That's an interesting story and a good illustration of how the media have consistently failed to get any real FACTS across to the public.

Newspapers campaign against top heavy management in the NHS and say that the money should be spent on front-line medical services. When it turns out that the money that is spent on medical services is ending up in the pockets of doctors who are earning up to £100,000 a year in "overtime", the media points the finger at overstretched NHS managers.

Make your bloody minds up. Or, alternatively, stop trying to find easy targets to "blame".

 

[Ex-Staffs Gull]

Not living in the UK anymore I am probably not entitled to an opinion, but in true NSC stylee, I will offer it anyway.
Labour inherited an economy in reasonable shape but an under-funded public sector and did what any socialist party should do and used the excess revenue to invest in public sector jobs etc. Economy goes bump, and they are left with an over-sized work force to pay with diminishing income, however socialist mandate makes it difficult for them to bite the reality bullet and reduce public sector costs, so the wait and wait, increasing the debt. Election brings in Tories (with Lib-Dems, who did the right thing in joining with the larger party IMHO, as they are not 'mini labour' as some seem to believe). Tories have to bring down costs and reduce jobs etc in order to balance the books, they are much less inclined to expand when things turn round, and like to build up income as the economy expands. People see less and less expenditure in services, resent paying taxes and see private sector getting richer and richer. Election comes round, Tories will be ousted, Labour re-elected and so the cycle begins again.

Both need each others policies to balance out flaws in their own dogmatic thinking. Only one real answer Maoism

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

That's an interesting story and a good illustration of how the media have consistently failed to get any real FACTS across to the public.

Newspapers campaign against top heavy management in the NHS and say that the money should be spent on front-line medical services. When it turns out that the money that is spent on medical services is ending up in the pockets of doctors who are earning up to £100,000 a year in "overtime", the media points the finger at overstretched NHS managers.

Make your bloody minds up. Or, alternatively, stop trying to find easy targets to "blame".

I get the distinct feeling that all the stuffing has been knocked out of this evangelical zeal towards privatisation of the public sector. It was full-on gung-ho when any clown could make money in a speculative bubble, but now that most companies are still feeling their way out of a very deep recession, even the usual suspects don't seem to have their hearts in it anymore.

 

[Don Quixote]

No wait, what am I doing.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Not living in the UK anymore I am probably not entitled to an opinion, but in true NSC stylee, I will offer it anyway.
Labour inherited an economy in reasonable shape but an under-funded public sector and did what any socialist party should do and used the excess revenue to invest in public sector jobs etc. Economy goes bump, and they are left with an over-sized work force to pay with diminishing income, however socialist mandate makes it difficult for them to bite the reality bullet and reduce public sector costs, so the wait and wait, increasing the debt. Election brings in Tories (with Lib-Dems, who did the right thing in joining with the larger party IMHO, as they are not 'mini labour' as some seem to believe). Tories have to bring down costs and reduce jobs etc in order to balance the books, they are much less inclined to expand when things turn round, and like to build up income as the economy expands. People see less and less expenditure in services, resent paying taxes and see private sector getting richer and richer. Election comes round, Tories will be ousted, Labour re-elected and so the cycle begins again.

Both need each others policies to balance out flaws in their own dogmatic thinking. Only one real answer Maoism

Meanwhile, in a parallel universe - uncontrollable by politicians - speculators gamble in the markets that sustain international capitalism. And they reward themselves to excess.

Voting makes no difference. We all suffer from the cock-ups that the speculators make, but few of us enjoy the benefits of their "successful" punts.

 

[Don Quixote]

I am sure Labour did some good when in power, otherwise how did they get voted in three times?

 

[Beach Hut]

I am sure Labour did some good when in power, otherwise how did they get voted in three times?

Easy - the opposition were in a mess which is what Labour are in now.

 

[El Presidente]

if you go to some parts of this country its spot the english man

Really, which parts of the country?

 

[Theatre of Trees]

Really, which parts of the country?

Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales?

 

[bullshit detector]

or one of the millons of immigrants they brought into the country to get their vote and to f*** this country even more.Labour will never be forgiven for their betrayal off this country

Read 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropists' by Robert Tressell.
It was written for people exactly like you.

 

[Don Quixote]

Easy - the opposition were in a mess which is what Labour are in now.

That is easy to say but Cameron is just as weak as any of their other previous leaders.

 

[Beach Hut]

That is easy to say but Cameron is just as weak as any of their other previous leaders.

Disagree - IDS was appalling as was Hague.

Where they went wrong was not electing Hezeltine as leader after Thatcher, had Tarzan been the leader I suspect the Conservatives would never have lost to Labour and let Blair in.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The problem here for the Conservatives is that if they do clamp down on banking bonuses they will alienate a large part of their electorate, forget Clegg as he will do what Cameron says - simples

That combined with the fact that the bonuses are in peoples contracts. I'd be bloody furious if any government ( whatever the colour ) thought it could alter MY contract just to appease the voters.