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How long until we can vote the Greens OUT?
- Thread starter GingerBeerMan
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Anything is workable, just needs time,effort and know how.
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
You make it sound like a bad thing. Let us know why you'd prefer a smog filled Brighton centre, I'd truly be interested to know.
It's an interesting question
There are plans afoot. Toad's Hole Valley is obviously one and there are other developments planned. The problem is development plans keep getting voted out (King Alfred's, Anson House etc). People want to move down here though so if no houses are built, by the laws of supply and demand, house prices will keeping going steadily up. Again, it's a problem all political parties are aware of.
An even more interesting question is where's the support structure going to be (schools, doctors, leisure facilities etc). The council's already finding it hard to find space for a new school to fix existing demand and there's a mini baby-boom to cope with in a few years.
It's a different issue from the transport one but it's an example of how there's remarkable consensus across the political parties on some of the problems facing Brighton - there are slightly different approaches but they all agree on the issues.
- Jan 3, 2012
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Why unworkable? if it can work in central London.......
Yes, May 2015.
That should give you enough time to learn how to spell 'X' for your ballot paper.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Central London doesn't have a transport strategy that provides visitors with thousands of car-parking spaces. If you want to use a pricing mechanism to discourage people from driving into Brighton city centre, the best way is to restrict on-street parking and charge high prices for the off-street parking spaces that are made available.
It also helps if public transport and cyclists can move freely. Bus and cycle lanes are the way to achieve this.
Hadn't you noticed?
But only if there are jobs for said residents which if the shops close there will be fewer and fewer.
London's congestion charge doesn't apply to weekends but that's a period when Brighton's traffic's particularly bad. Also, where would you have the boundary? And who would pay for the charging infrastructure? London's was needed as the congestion was awful but, even at rush hour, Brighton's not too bad. You wouldn't want much more traffic though.
The Large One
Who's Next?
Well, maybe not unworkable, but inherently unfair.
My principle point is the fact that the centre of the city is also the edge of the city. You can't circumnavigate the city to the south. You could make King's Road / Marine Parade exempt from the congestion zone, but that will merely push all of the through-traffic down there. In order to circumnavigate the congestion charge zone, you'd have to place ratruns in streets that just weren't designed for them.
I believe this will create more problems than it will resolve. Better to discourage people from their cars than force them out.
GingerBeerMan
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- Dec 29, 2011
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It now runs one public route, and the route it probably made the most revenue off isn't even serviced anymore (Sussex uni, no stats to back that statement, but the bus always used to be full when leaving there). Hardly a good competitor to Brighton&Hove buses.
A certain percent of the population have to use cars, no matter how inconvenient. These traffic restrictions only serve to increase congestion and therefore smog.
Probably more intelligent than you, but congratulations on the smart quip
Lord Bracknell
On fire
They competed against B&H Buses to win the contract and the subsidy from the Council. And B&H Buses accept Big Lemon tickets on their services. It's not about competition, it's about delivering a sensible network to the public.
I voted Green last time, and will do so again
So did I but I won't be doing so again.
Just watched this weeks Question Time on iPlayer and what a loon that new Green leader is. She's also a hypocrite - banging on about everyone should have a living wage etc etc yet her one and only council wants to reduce the wage of some of it's lowest paid employees by 4 grand a year !!!!!!
butchy
Well-known member
Buses in London are £1.40 a single, i.e £2.80 for a return. The fact that it is almost double that in Brighton, and the distances covered are much shorter, makes it nothing short of a FARCE!
The Greens are like an even more dreadful version of The Labour Party. Ofcourse they're hypocrites; if they really cared about the environment they'd target the greatest threat to our country and our planet, overpopulation. They'd promise stricter immigration controls and no Child Benefit or child related benefits for third and subsequent children born to any woman.
Indeed and yet she was the only panellist against any immigration control !
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
That certain percentage is probably no more than 10%. The cross party decision to reducing the other 90% is surely a good thing. Can't you see that?
TWOCHOICEStom
Well-known member
I like the idea of less cars.
But the buses are too expensive. Simple as that.
But the buses are too expensive. Simple as that.
yxee
Well-known member
Why does oil running out justify actively reducing road capacity and creating more traffic? There's not going to be an apocalyptic world announcement that "oil has just run out", it will simply get more expensive to drill and refine, those costs will be passed onto the motorists via a hefty government tax, and people will naturally adjust their lifestyle to spend their money on other things. It's not the end of the world, it's the market in action.
I understand that oil is running out, and I think most people do. But I think people resent comments like "cause people to make some changes to their lives." The job of local government is to serve the community, not lecture them on how to live their lives.
Exactly. One of the reasons the Greens will never be successful nationally the way they have been in Brighton is the need to attach pure socialist and alternative philosophies to ecology, hence for example Sven Rufus describing himself as both a Trade Unionist and Self Employed (today I am going to strike against.........myself!). This leads to them rejecting market led ecological solutions and instead using the stick without the carrot (I'm aware I'm up to my metaphor limit here but stick with it).
Thus GM crops can ONLY be bad. Fracking can ONLY be bad despite one having the ability to feed poor (really poor) people and the other to produce new energy sources. Both, you see will allow us to carry on consuming instead of sticking on a hair shirt. Companies are not exempt from criticism of course but the thing that I can see making (say) more hybrid cars or better ways of producing crops more attractive instead of searching the polar regions for new oil is the market. When luxury food and petrol become too expensive we WILL stop buying them and the corporations that produce them will have to provide an alternative or go bust.