Agreed. But the backbenchers (and some cabinet members) have got to stop sniping at Corbyn. The bullying attacks on pro-bombing MPs are disgraceful but so are the secret briefings and press leaks against the leader. Corbyn is protected by a hefty majority and is going nowhere, the MPs have to realise that and look for a way they can work as a single party. As Benjamin Franklin said, they must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, they shall all hang separately
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Hilary Benn
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Agreed. But the backbenchers (and some cabinet members) have got to stop sniping at Corbyn. The bullying attacks on pro-bombing MPs are disgraceful but so are the secret briefings and press leaks against the leader. Corbyn is protected by a hefty majority and is going nowhere, the MPs have to realise that and look for a way they can work as a single party. As Benjamin Franklin said, they must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, they shall all hang separately
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
We aren't bombing them. We are bombing targets, such as the oilfields and pipeline. This cuts off their supply of oil and finance.
The RAF have already been bombing in Iraq and not lost any civilian lives.
drew
Drew
The problem is that those that elect the leader are mainly the members and those that actually take up membership are more than likely to be those that lean further to the left and, ergo, see Corbyn as the ideal man. He will never win a general election because you can't win just by appealing to your own members. You need to get on board a massive chunk of the electorate that sit in the middle ground.
Labour can go down the route that is hard left but they will guarantee they will remain in opposition for a vast number of years. Campbell and Blair realized that hence the New Labour. They might not have appealed to the hard left but they gained power for 13 years and it is only with power that you can actually change things.
Dick Knights Mumm
Take me Home Falmer Road
Ha ha. Might as well have been Susan.
Javeaseagull
Well-known member
- Feb 22, 2014
- 2,505
So whose side are we on? Cameron mentioned 50,000 Syria Free Army that are fighting IS but are the opposition to Assad who is backed by Russia. He also mentioned 20,000 Kurds who are fighting IS in Iraq but are being bombed by Turkey.
Does this mean we are allies with Russia and Turkey or against them?
Does this mean we are allies with Russia and Turkey or against them?
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Hillary Benn = ****
That is all I'm saying as I was always told not to be RUDE
That is all I'm saying as I was always told not to be RUDE
- Apr 5, 2014
- 23,626
Both. That's the absurdity of it all.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
Well-known member
When he's leader of the Labour Party in 2020 will you be saying the same thing?
RexCathedra
Aurea Mediocritas
Has Sir Humphrey Appleby come out of retirement?
Because this bombing campaign has "Something must be done. This is something. This must be done." written all over it.
Because this bombing campaign has "Something must be done. This is something. This must be done." written all over it.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
Well-known member
The anti Corbyn voices won't be going away in a hurry, the last few days have proved that. After all, these MPs have their seats to win back, and those in marginals sure as hell won't hold them if Corbyn remains leader.
Javeaseagull
Well-known member
- Feb 22, 2014
- 2,505
Agreed. I am just concerned we are sleep-walking into WW3
drew
Drew
Of course that is a concern but it hasn't happened following other wars, Korean, Vietnam, Iraq 1, Iraq 2, Afghanistan. Isis, Daesh or whatever is politically correct to call them, are the main threat to our way of life so they are the priority. Bombing targets in Syria and Iraq is just one element. Behind the scenes diplomacy is no doubt going on, whether with the Russians, Turks or Saudis.
1066familyman
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- Jan 15, 2008
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Good point. With that power they affected so much change didn't they. Well worth selling out for I suppose just so they could implement all they really believed in once in power. I mean, the list is quite exhaustive isn't it:
The ever widening gap in wealth inequality - halted and put into reverse.
Public utilities - taken away from profit led private shareholders and foreign owners and re-nationalised for the benefit of the people.
Public services - massive improvements across the board.
Manufacturing industry - restored to former glories.
Financial service sector - reigned in from being a law unto themselves and doing as they please.
Living wage? - tick.
Bonuses and CEO's obscene pay rises - all effectively dealt with.
The complete mess that has been Housing for the past 40 odd years - Sorted! More homes built than ever, affordable for all too. Housing benefit bill to the tax payer massively reduced due to supply meeting demand, especially in terms of social housing, and curbs on the buy to let market and rent caps.
I could probably go on but I haven't got all night.
Yes, Hurray for New Labour! See what they did there once in power!
...........................Oh 
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
There was a dodgy moment when the Russian jet was shot down, but that has mostly blown over, and it showed that none of the major players view the stakes are high enough to take things too far.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Is this Hillary Benn related to the one in the Commons last night ?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hilary-benn-shadow-foreign-secretary-says-labour-wont-back-air-strikes-on-syria-a6734651.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hilary-benn-shadow-foreign-secretary-says-labour-wont-back-air-strikes-on-syria-a6734651.html
I wonder if Daesh see Turkey as a potential next target? I don't believe our actions will do much to them, but say if we are successful in hitting their income streams, they may feel the need to slip across the border. I've been wondering a lot what I would do, if I were in their position.
I certainly wouldn't be hanging around in Raqqa, would have buggered off from there weeks ago, probably spread through Mosul to make it political suicide for any nation to attack.
drew
Drew
Good point. With that power they affected so much change didn't they. Well worth selling out for I suppose just so they could implement all they really believed in once in power. I mean, the list is quite exhaustive isn't it:
The ever widening gap in wealth inequality - halted and put into reverse.
Public utilities - taken away from profit led private shareholders and foreign owners and re-nationalised for the benefit of the people.
Public services - massive improvements across the board.
Manufacturing industry - restored to former glories.
Financial service sector - reigned in from being a law unto themselves and doing as they please.
Living wage? - tick.
Bonuses and CEO's obscene pay rises - all effectively dealt with.
The complete mess that has been Housing for the past 40 odd years - Sorted! More homes built than ever, affordable for all too. Housing benefit bill to the tax payer massively reduced due to supply meeting demand, especially in terms of social housing, and curbs on the buy to let market and rent caps.
I could probably go on but I haven't got all night.
Yes, Hurray for New Labour! See what they did there once in power!
And of course the everything is wonderful under the Tories, who, of course, never change.
Under New Labour, a decline in the NHS was reversed. Minimum wage introduced, etc etc. I could go on but I haven't got all night!
Mellor 3 Ward 4
Well-known member
He's also quoted in the article as saying...
Mr Benn said Labour would only consider backing air strikes in Syria if Mr Cameron had the support of the United Nations.
Which they now have.
Three weeks is a long time in Politics.