Gus gets the boot

[ROSM]

This is absolutely true.

However, what is also true is that under Gus he said he'd improve our position every season and he did. He said he'd work to establish one way of playing and he did. He got us in to The Championship at the right time and took the feelgood factor of silverware in to the Amex. He attracted Bridge, Vicente, Orlandi, Ulloa and Spanish Dave. EVERY one of my favourite games in the first 100 at the Amex were under Gus.

He was a brilliant Brighton manager. To say otherwise is revisionist shit. He is also a flawed man with an ego the size of Montevideo who is always going to crash and burn when the going gets tough for him. It IS all about Poyet but I will always admire the man for what he (initially) did for us.

Also agree that Spanish second division is where he should head. Charlie should love it.

Can't disagree with any of this

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

He was a brilliant Brighton manager. To say otherwise is revisionist shit.

Not that simple. First Albion manager in recent times with the purse-strings loosened. OK, fair play, he taught El-Abd and Elphick to pass the ball on the ground, albeit painfully horribly slowly, after years of clear-yer-lines at all costs being drummed into them by the likes of Guy Butters, but that eternal El-Abd - Elphick - Ankergren triangle was truly pitiful to behold. And the 20 passes to reach the halfway line (before a single tackle by opposition midfield made it all fall down) was just puerile. Passing for passing's sake, and thoroughly discredited by the likes of pro[per managers like Pep Guardiola.

 

[symyjym]

Not that simple. First Albion manager in recent times with the purse-strings loosened. OK, fair play, he taught El-Abd and Elphick to pass the ball on the ground, albeit painfully horribly slowly, after years of clear-yer-lines at all costs being drummed into them by the likes of Guy Butters, but that eternal El-Abd - Elphick - Ankergren triangle was truly pitiful to behold. And the 20 passes to reach the halfway line (before a single tackle by opposition midfield made it all fall down) was just puerile. Passing for passing's sake, and thoroughly discredited by the likes of proper managers like Pep Guardiola.

Yep, he tried to bore the opposition and they just let us pass it at the back whilst they held or regained their shape. We saw us too many times desperately clinging onto games in the last 15 minutes. Gus was always telling the fans to be patient and we gave that to him, even though many games were totally frustrating with minimal attempts at goal.

 

[Man of Harveys]

I'm still trying - and failing - to think of a successful football manager without a sizable ego.

Nope, no-one. Not one. Because it's literally impossible to do that job without one, that's why.

Honestly, some of the sour grapes written above about Guys just seems embittered, IMHO.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Not that simple. First Albion manager in recent times with the purse-strings loosened. OK, fair play, he taught El-Abd and Elphick to pass the ball on the ground, albeit painfully horribly slowly, after years of clear-yer-lines at all costs being drummed into them by the likes of Guy Butters, but that eternal El-Abd - Elphick - Ankergren triangle was truly pitiful to behold. And the 20 passes to reach the halfway line (before a single tackle by opposition midfield made it all fall down) was just puerile. Passing for passing's sake, and thoroughly discredited by the likes of pro[per managers like Pep Guardiola.

Not in the last season at Withers. Noone and Bennett moving the ball quickly to get finished off by one of Murray, Barnes or Wood was a sight to behold. And he turned Lua Lua from a sprinter / gymnast in to a footballer and brought on the pre-trial Dunk an absolute bundle. Two wins instead of draws in that last season and we'd have gone up automatically and we easily had the chances to do it. Yes he was cautious. Yes he was egotistical. But when it worked (Sunderland, Newcastle, Wolves, St Pat's Palace, Blackpool at home to name but five) it was great to watch.

 

[symyjym]

I'm still trying - and failing - to think of a successful football manager without a sizable ego.

Nope, no-one. Not one. Because it's literally impossible to do that job without one, that's why.

Honestly, some of the sour grapes written above about Guys just seems embittered, IMHO.

Wenger, Martinez, Hughton?

 

[Megazone]

I'm still trying - and failing - to think of a successful football manager without a sizable ego.

Nope, no-one. Not one. Because it's literally impossible to do that job without one, that's why.

Eddie Howe?

 

[We're the Stripes]

but that eternal El-Abd - Elphick - Ankergren triangle was truly pitiful to behold.

"Eternal" - seriously? Think you've probably mentioned this more times than it actually occurred given those 3 would have played together what, a handful of times during our L1 title winning season?

 

[NooBHA]

Wenger, Martinez, Hughton?

Correct............CH has confidence in his own abilities but it does not come with an Ego and Self Opinionisation

 

[Bombadier Botty]

I'm still trying - and failing - to think of a successful football manager without a sizable ego.

Nope, no-one. Not one. Because it's literally impossible to do that job without one, that's why.

Honestly, some of the sour grapes written above about Guys just seems embittered, IMHO.

What utter bullshit

 

[BensGrandad]

Could Gus be at The Den tonight watching a prospective team for next season?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

"Eternal" - seriously? Think you've probably mentioned this more times than it actually occurred given those 3 would have played together what, a handful of times during our L1 title winning season?

Nah. Were you there? It was the norm. It was like teaching toddlers to walk. Fair play to GP for being the first manager to teach them to do that. But absolutely shocking that it should be required in the first place.

 

[B.W.]

Peterborough away *cough*

Yes, that was an absolutely brilliant performance (Charlton away great too). Not sure it matches up to the top manager's achievements you mentioned tho! ;-)

 

[El Presidente]

Yes, that was an absolutely brilliant performance (Charlton away great too). Not sure it matches up to the top manager's achievements you mentioned tho! ;-)

It's a gnat's bollock hair width away from winning the Champions' League..............if you listen to Gus.

 

[El Presidente]

Not that simple. First Albion manager in recent times with the purse-strings loosened. OK, fair play, he taught El-Abd and Elphick to pass the ball on the ground, albeit painfully horribly slowly, after years of clear-yer-lines at all costs being drummed into them by the likes of Guy Butters, but that eternal El-Abd - Elphick - Ankergren triangle was truly pitiful to behold. And the 20 passes to reach the halfway line (before a single tackle by opposition midfield made it all fall down) was just puerile. Passing for passing's sake, and thoroughly discredited by the likes of pro[per managers like Pep Guardiola.

No one disses Guy Butters.

It's PISTOLS AT DAWN Tom

 

[El Presidente]

Basically, everything that happened with Gus at the Albion has happened with Gus at Sunderland. The checklist is ticked in every case:

1. Massive ego.
2. Falling out with club management.
3. Tons of draws.
4. Not many goals.
5. Absolutely no kids brought through.
6. Touting himself for other jobs whilst manager.
7. It's always everyone else's fault.
8. Engineers a position to get sacked.

I think you are being a bit loose with some of the facts here.

For example, we scored 85 league goals in 2010/11, our highest number since 1964/5, and drew 7 league matches out of 46
In 2012/13 we scored 69 league goals in the Championship, only four teams scored more than that, and had the joint lowest number of defeats.
Poyet gave Dunk and JFC a chance in the team, and spotted, probably earlier than a lot of others, that the latter wasn't up to the task. I don't recall Garcia, Hyppia or Hughton playing loads of kids in the team either, so not sure what people want from a manager. If they're not good enough, don't play them.

Agree entirely

 

[Pinkie Brown]

I assume you have not got much then, because you will have even less if you do that.

If that were to happen, one thing Matthew Benham and Gus would agree on - Neither would be sending Christmas Christmas cards to TB I suspect. I think its safe to say there would be a mutual dislike of our Tony.

Maybe employing Gus would be a combined way of both pointing a huge middle finger towards The Amex?

 

[NooBHA]

I think you are being a bit loose with some of the facts here.

For example, we scored 85 league goals in 2010/11, our highest number since 1964/5, and drew 7 league matches out of 46
In 2012/13 we scored 69 league goals in the Championship, only four teams scored more than that, and had the joint lowest number of defeats.
Poyet gave Dunk and JFC a chance in the team, and spotted, probably earlier than a lot of others, that the latter wasn't up to the task. I don't recall Garcia, Hyppia or Hughton playing loads of kids in the team either, so not sure what people want from a manager. If they're not good enough, don't play them.

Agree entirely

CH brought Andy Carroll into Newcastle at a young age. Brought nathan Redmond into Birmingham team at age 16 and Josh Murphy into Norwich team at age 18 so he does give youth a chance. This year is not the time to do it at Albion, given where we lie in the league.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

No one disses Guy Butters.

Not if they don't want to be TANKed clean over WSU.

 

[Man of Harveys]

Wenger, Martinez, Hughton?

Those individuals don't have an ego?

Tell you what, try selecting 11 players from a squad to perform in front of 60,000 people, or even 20,000 at the Amex, whilst having every decision scrutinized by at least that many "experts" passing comment on what you do WITHOUT an ego: racked by self-doubt, with absolutely no courage of your own convictions. See how far you'd get.It's a ridiculous thing to claim: of course those people have an ego and a bloody big one too.

Of course Hughton has a gentler, politer, gentlemanly style about him - something I actually really like about him, for what little it's worth - but, honestly, no-one with a career like his doesn't have an ego, just in order to do what he does for a living. IMHO.