Europe: In or Out

[BadFish]

Fair enough. My guess is that you can have a choice whether you return, you can see how the country is doing, it may/may not be beneficial. In the meantime whether the decision is in or out, it is us that live and work here that will suffer the consequences.
I am not slagging off "the countries population", my opinion is that a lot of people will follow the scare tactics that the IN campaign will peddle.

The irony here is that you have the same choice (all part of being in the EU). If you think the sheeple are making the wrong choice you are free to move anywhere in the EU until the sheeple you loathe so much start thinking for themselves (For this read: think like you do).

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Of course. The borrower, Germany, took the generosity in the hour of their need but didnt extend it when they were the lender. One rule for ome.. And its a saying.....

Can I point out the EU is 28 nations......not just Germany.

 

[ferring seagull]

My immediate thought is to get out but until we see the true picture, which will only become obvious (perhaps not obvious), once the campaigns start to roll.

It will be interesting to see how DC decides to twitch if nothing meaningful is achieved from his current round of diplomacy.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

What's interesting is that with over 1000 on NSC now, and 20 odd thousand members, fewer than 300 people are sufficiently interested in this thread to vote. Could it be that most folk on here are more drawn to the Albion than the politics? I think we should be told

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I see masked men are now attacking migrants across Europe.

Gothenberg train station
regards
DR

 

[pastafarian]

Can I point out the EU is 28 nations......not just Germany.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

It beggars belief how much crap is written that people actually believe to be true these days.

And there you have it the latest bit of crap written
regards
DR

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

its the EU way,a slick oiled gravy train for the benefit of the worst excesses of capitalism.

its why real socialists hate it and why the champagne socialist brigade embrace it at every turn

The same EU which looks at worker's rights, the same EU which has looked after ripped off consumers by taking on wide ranging businesses like mobile phone companies and airlines, the same EU which is now looking at big corporations diverting profits into distant tax havens? This doesn't strike me as being of benefit to capitalism. The EU actually get off its arse and tackles these things unlike successive UK governments. The EU Is now looking to take on Google. The current UK government cosied up to Google and struck a sweetheart deal for peanuts.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Can I point out the EU is 28 nations......not just Germany.

Hahaha pull the other one.

Merkel alone invited the migrants across into the Schengen zone against the wishes of numerous other heads of state who have been left to pick up the pieces.

 

[Beach Hut]

And there you have it the latest bit of crap written
regards
DR

The modern day Alf Garnett speaks

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Hahaha pull the other one.

Merkel alone invited the migrants across into the Schengen zone against the wishes of numerous other heads of state who have been left to pick up the pieces.

She told them to come to Germany, not the Schengen area per se

 

[pastafarian]

The same EU which looks at worker's rights, the same EU which has looked after ripped off consumers by taking on wide ranging businesses like mobile phone companies and airlines, the same EU which is now looking at big corporations diverting profits into distant tax havens? This doesn't strike me as being of benefit to capitalism. The EU actually get off its arse and tackles these things unlike successive UK governments. The EU Is now looking to take on Google. The current UK government cosied up to Google and struck a sweetheart deal for peanuts.

Trade Union support for a EU exit seems to be gathering support

"We want to see a Europe of democratic states that value public services and does not offer them to profiteers; a Europe that guarantees the rights of workers and does not put the interests of big business above that of ordinary people. We believe this is not possible within the EU."
http://tuaeu.co.uk/?page_id=77

https://www.rmt.org.uk/news/transport-union-to-campaign-for-exit-from-pro-austerity-eu/

I believe these groups are quite influential when it comes to protecting the rights of British workers

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

She told them to come to Germany, not the Schengen area per se

So just thinking about herself and not the consequences. Proves my point exactly.

 

[beorhthelm]

Greece, bullied? Correct me if I'm wrong here but they voted in a pro-EU government to strike a deal with the EU. The government struck a deal, had a referendum, concluded the deal then stood aside and let the people speak a third time. They were voted back in. How much more democratic can you get? And how much more convincing do you need that the Greeks struck a deal the nation was happy with? It's not really for me or you to comment on the deal; they were happy with it which is all that matters. in their hour of need the EU was there for them.

i'll correct your myopic version of events. a euro-skeptic party was elected to reject an economic plan forced upon them by EU, ECB and IMF. they tried to negotiate a new deal and got told nothing was negotiable. they had a referendum to reject the EU proposal, to effectively exit the Euro, which they won. then when the funds were turned off, the Greek government agreed to implement the EU plan anyway. then went back to people with an economic gun to their head and won a reluctant victory with the lowest ever turn out. are the Greeks happy with the deal, being the alternative was economic collapse? er yes, if you say so. are the Greeks bullied into accepting it, absolutly yes.

 

[Don Quixote]

It's a bit embarrassing watching the prime minister going around pleading with the EU for some reforms when this country is the second biggest economy in Europe.

 

[heathgate]

It's a bit embarrassing watching the prime minister going around pleading with the EU for some reforms when this country is the second biggest economy in Europe.

It's called negotiating. ... they all need the UK to stay in, Cameron wants to stay in, most of the country wants to stay in.....but..... only if political union is off the table,... and the border controls are assisted by the benefit restrictions.

 

[Titanic]

It's called negotiating. ... they all need the UK to stay in, Cameron wants to stay in, most of the country wants to stay in.....but..... only if political union is off the table,... and the border controls are assisted by the benefit restrictions.

Surely, when you put it like that, he can't fail? Can he??

 

[heathgate]

Surely, when you put it like that, he can't fail? Can he??

I suspect we will be offered a halfway house deal.....the public will reject it with a no.

 

[BigGully]

It's called negotiating. ... they all need the UK to stay in, Cameron wants to stay in, most of the country wants to stay in.....but..... only if political union is off the table,... and the border controls are assisted by the benefit restrictions.

They only require the UK to stay in if the political union continues, otherwise apart from a few billions contributions here and there whats the point.

Political Union is the only reason the EU exists, its very nature is a political project, I have yet to see it produce one single impressive political figure, if it had been a football academy it would have been shut down years ago.

 

[heathgate]

No..they need us in politically because we have some clout on a world stage, still. Without us in the club, they lose some political and diplomatic muscle....economically it's still a moot point, trade will still take place with and outwith the EU group...trade sanctions or restrictions are illegal..so for me I would prefer to be in, but leaving behind the social and political agenda would be refreshing if we vote that way next year.