Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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The pro independence Scots seek freedom from the UK but seek securtiy and governance from the EU.....
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Europe: In or Out
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JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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I see someone who has avoided debating the substantive points I raised (not for the first time) which suggests their initial argument was weak or based on lazy assumptions
JC Footy Genius
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Which shows it's more about anti English sentiment than belief in true self determination.
Well they can stay in and shell out 55m a day then. The tail has been wagging the dog for too long now.
Hampster Gull
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Well it indicates they are hypocrites but to want to be part of the EU makes complete sense
yxee
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Oh no, I forgot about Scotland! I had better change my opinion...
I see someone who has avoided debating the substantive points I raised (not for the first time) which suggests their initial argument was weak or based on lazy assumptions
What's to debate? A number of polls suggest Scotland clearly likes EU membership. And if they were removed by a government which is 400 miles away and a unrepresentative government which they didn't vote for a single MP I am certain they will do something about it....and my guess that the SNP will sieze the moment for another referendum.
nicko31
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Yeah want the pound too and the extra cash too, classic pick and mix
I pick and choose my friends as well. What's the big deal?
yxee
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Of course it is representative. Representative of the country. Not just them.
Hampster Gull
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Interesting
Pretty pink fairy
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I would take that with a pinch of salt , leafy Sussex with its fingers on the pulse of multicultural Britain .................
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DR
JC Footy Genius
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The Scottish people voted to remain part of the United Kingdom. If the collective will of the people of the UK is to leave then so be it. Yes the SNP will try to exploit the vote portraying it as a Westminster/government decision as you have done.
Balanced against this SNP narrative will be the stark facts that an independent Scotland has no automatic right to join the EU and the minor matter of the oil price ...
Oil price slump wrecks Scotland’s financial forecasts
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6f2fd24e-5d29-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html#axzz3yliGISi2
In truth no one knows how this will play out but to suggest it is almost certain that Scotland would leave the UK as you did is scaremongering.
crookie
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Oh come on HT, you're better than that. There are 3 non snp mps
I gave my reasons why I feel so that Scotland will leave. Scaremongering suggests that you feel people are unable to make their own minds up from what I wrote, are you really this arrogant? Because if they can make their own mind up my view is either valid or nonsense. I'm pro-EU; it stands to reason I feel departure will have negative consequences.
PS and I presume your oil price comment isn't scaremongering. No doubt for you its fact.
You're right there is one single Tory MP. My point still stands that they voted in a single Tory MP but they are governed by a Tory government.
Pretty pink fairy
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Cut all the crap, its a straight forward in or out ,most people know how they will vote
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DR
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DR
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Jeez, HT you are a fantastic addition to NSC but sometimes (regardless of your bacon and trips to the UK) you can be a complete argumentative ****. I know because I can be too. x
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GT49er
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If, after a Brexit, Scotland wants a vote on whether to break up the United Kingdom, there should definitely be a vote on it; as it would involve breaking up the UK, the whole of the UK will of course have to have a democratic vote on it..........................................................
JC Footy Genius
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You did and I provided two reasons why this is unlikely to be a virtual certainty as you suggested.
No, scaremongering means people are presenting a doomsday scenario of breakup of the UK as a near certainty with very little evidence.
The collapse in the oil price is a fact and it will undermine any pro Scottish independence argument.
Your pro EU stance is of course completely legitimate but you are not arguing for the benefits of staying in rather playing on fears of leaving.