Do you think the JOCKS will vote YES ?

[sten_super]

This is a pretty damning critique of the economic case for independence. The incompetence shown by the 'Better Together' campaign to not manage to pick up on any of this is astounding.

 

[dingodan]

On a darker side, ISIS are now said to be targeting a Scot in bid to force ‘Yes’ vote in Scotland independence, in a bid break up the UK.

From Scottish newspaper, the Sunday Post:

A leading intelligence expert fears Islamic extremists are deliberately threatening to behead a Scots aid worker to break up the UK

Professor Anthony Glees, at the Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies at the University of Buckingham, says:

“ISIS are believed to be holding around 30 hostages. Some are Scandinavian but there are other Brits among the group. So you need to ask why David Haines has been picked after two Americans.
ISIS are masters of propaganda and realise the impact of selecting a Scot. They will hope by showing the UK is weak and unable to defend its citizens it will drive Scots to embrace independence.
“One of the UK’s big selling points in remaining together is the strength of the UK on the world stage – their sword and shield. If they can no longer strike hostile forces who attack their citizens, the UK is clearly in danger of being a spent force heading towards division. And a weakened UK is exactly what the ISIS wants.”

Wow.

If Scots vote yes they are helpings ISIS.

Darker side indeed, darker side of political campaigning.

 

[The Spanish]

Quite easily actually, have a vote and follow what the majority of people want

or alternatively select only a certain group of people and allow them to vote on breaking up a nation state, ignoring the vast majority. why not give children who cannot vote in elections ordinarily a vote either?

no, that would be MENTAL.

 

[dingodan]

Quite easily actually, have a vote and follow what the majority of people want

England is not in control of it's currency.

 

[dingodan]

or alternatively select only a certain group of people and allow them to vote on breaking up a nation state, ignoring the vast majority.

Wait, the Scots are breaking up your country?

No wonder they want to have independence when Brits keep claiming Scotland is their Country.

 

[The Spanish]

could the Queen, theoretically, put the kybosh on this?

 

[The Spanish]

Wait, the Scots are breaking up your country?

No wonder they want to have independence when Brits keep claiming Scotland is their Country.

who are the Brits?

 

[dingodan]

who are the Brits?

Soft as shyte, live south of the border, you know the ones.

I was referring to that Majority of this "Nation State" who are being ignored while a small Minority tear us apart.

 

[The Truth]

bunch of wee fannies.

 

[jimhigham]

There is the old line about there being more panda bears in Scotland than Tory MPs. It might make for some knockabout humour for Salmon but it does actually make a serious point. The Scots are frequently returned a Tory government when their vote clearly demonstrates that they want nothing of the sort. Against that background why wouldn't they want independence?

If that is what they collectively want then good luck to them. It would be immoral to seek to enforce their continued participation in the union.

 

[nicko31]

GBP to USD dropped from 1.71 to 1.61 in a month. The markets are starting to price in a YES vote. The end result will probably be a NO vote with even more concessions for the Scots..

 

[LargeHadronZugzwang]

Yes indeed, why would they not?

Most expensive rail fares in Europe by far, no affordable houses to buy, NHS being sold to the highest bidder, students in debt for their entire lives, Governments spending a large amount of our taxes on wars. What have we got that they would want to keep? The pound? Well, whoopy ****ing do. They may just think there happens to be an alternative to pursuing policies which are about as useful as quilted toilet paper.

 

[nicko31]

Yes indeed, why would they not?

Most expensive rail fares in Europe by far, no affordable houses to buy, NHS being sold to the highest bidder, students in debt for their entire lives, Governments spending a large amount of our taxes on wars. What have we got that they would want to keep? The pound? Well, whoopy ****ing do. They may just think there happens to be an alternative to pursuing policies which are about as useful as quilted toilet paper.

Do they think they will be excluded from these challenges. Scotland is living beyond its means even worse than the rest of us, all those deep fried pizza's will put even more pressure on their health system

 

[dingodan]

Do they think they will be excluded from these challenges. Scotland is living beyond its means even worse than the rest of us, all those deep fried pizza's will put even more pressure on their health system

lol, but y u mad tho?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Whatever the outcome, the "Better Together" campaign has been a shambles. Nationalistic feeling in Scotland has been underestimated and the benefits of union have been totally undersold.

Those benefits are chiefly felt via "economies of scale". Surely it should not have been beyond the wit of campaigners to demonstrate what doors are open to the UK that would not be open to an independent Scotland? The politics of fear have been confused with stating a clear case why a small country outside the EU with no currency or central bank is exposed in every conceivable way.

Now that one poll is showing the YES vote as in the lead we're entering campaign meltdown. "Better Together' has failed and the ace up the sleeve - the 'fear' card - is now being played in a manic, desperate attempt to frighten voters north of the border. Expect Cameron, the Governor of the Bank Of England and Prince Charles to make big statements now, the terrorist threat will get talked up, and if things get REALLY bad then they may have to wheel in David Beckham as a last resort.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Whatever the outcome, the "Better Together" campaign has been a shambles. Nationalistic feeling in Scotland has been underestimated and the benefits of union have been totally undersold.

Those benefits are chiefly felt via "economies of scale". Surely it should not have been beyond the wit of campaigners to demonstrate what doors are open to the UK that would not be open to an independent Scotland? The politics of fear have been confused with stating a clear case why a small country outside the EU with no currency or central bank is exposed in every conceivable way.

Now that one poll is showing the YES vote as in the lead we're entering campaign meltdown. "Better Together' has failed and the ace up the sleeve - the 'fear' card - is now being played in a manic, desperate attempt to frighten voters north of the border. Expect Cameron, the Governor of the Bank Of England and Prince Charles to make big statements now, the terrorist threat will get talked up, and if things get REALLY bad then they may have to wheel in David Beckham as a last resort.

Your right they have been undersold. What do you expect from a group of career politicians, who have never done a hard days work in their life. They just can't do anything right.
What annoys me, is that it is so bloody obvious what they are doing. People are not stupid and can see straight through it. Instead of driving the No vote it's increased the Yes vote.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

could the Queen, theoretically, put the kybosh on this?

Simply put Yes.

In principle so could Westminster. All powers that Scotland currently has are devolved from The British Government, so we could shut down the Scottish Parliament tomorrow.

 

[SAC]

A few years ago Salmon stated that he wanted an independent Scotland to have an economy similar to Iceland and Ireland and now he, and Scotland, look likely to get what he wished for. If they vote yes it will be a very messy divorce and the only ones to come out of a divorce smiling are the lawyers.

 

[Simster]

Whatever the outcome, the "Better Together" campaign has been a shambles. Nationalistic feeling in Scotland has been underestimated and the benefits of union have been totally undersold.

Those benefits are chiefly felt via "economies of scale". Surely it should not have been beyond the wit of campaigners to demonstrate what doors are open to the UK that would not be open to an independent Scotland? The politics of fear have been confused with stating a clear case why a small country outside the EU with no currency or central bank is exposed in every conceivable way.

Now that one poll is showing the YES vote as in the lead we're entering campaign meltdown. "Better Together' has failed and the ace up the sleeve - the 'fear' card - is now being played in a manic, desperate attempt to frighten voters north of the border. Expect Cameron, the Governor of the Bank Of England and Prince Charles to make big statements now, the terrorist threat will get talked up, and if things get REALLY bad then they may have to wheel in David Beckham as a last resort.

Alistair Darling, Nick Clegg and to a lesser extent George Osborne - leaders of a NO campaign which should be out of sight by now, IMO. I suspect (and indeed hope) that they have all signed the death warrant to their own political careers if they lose this. Completely arrogant, and an absolute shambles.

 

[Ernest]

How people feel about what has been done to the NHS and things like the Bedroom Tax have given the Nationalists an open goal to score from whilst Osborne panics now with supposed new measures being introduced