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CORBYN, McDONNELL AND LIVINGSTONE.



alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342
but they don't vote for themselves do they...........................its the electorate that matters not that bunch of schoolboys
Do you honestly think the electorate will vote for Corbyn ? Anyone who does is deluded.
 




Albumen

Don't wait for me!
Jan 19, 2010
11,495
Brighton - In your face
Do you honestly think the electorate will vote for Corbyn ? Anyone who does is deluded.

delude
dɪˈl(j)uːd/Submit
verb
past tense: deluded; past participle: deluded
make (someone) believe something that is not true.

That covers the majority of the electorate based on 2015's election results. They believed all the horseshit that was coming out of Cameron. Corbyn has 4 years to guide the to the truth, so you're right it'll be tough going.
 


jakarta

Well-known member
May 25, 2007
15,633
Sullington
delude
dɪˈl(j)uːd/Submit
verb
past tense: deluded; past participle: deluded
make (someone) believe something that is not true.

That covers the majority of the electorate based on 2015's election results. They believed all the horseshit that was coming out of Cameron. Corbyn has 4 years to guide the to the truth, so you're right it'll be tough going.

I'm sure Cameron hopes that Corbyn will be across the Despatch Box for the next 4 years, personally I have my doubts...

Nice to see your respect for the electorate by the way.
 


Creaky

Well-known member
Mar 26, 2013
3,843
Hookwood - Nr Horley
I like Corbyn - I'd never vote for him because I don't support most of his policies nor many of his 'beliefs' but at least I 'know' what they are - far more so than the vast majority of politicians who have fair weather policies and beliefs that change at the drop of a hat if they think it will gain them more votes.
 


alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342
delude
dɪˈl(j)uːd/Submit
verb
past tense: deluded; past participle: deluded
make (someone) believe something that is not true.

That covers the majority of the electorate based on 2015's election results. They believed all the horseshit that was coming out of Cameron. Corbyn has 4 years to guide the to the truth, so you're right it'll be tough going.
Oh, it obviously suits you to reply to this post, you usually go on the missing list when a post is a little too close to an inconvenient truth, lets see shall we.
 




Soulman

New member
Oct 22, 2012
10,966
Sompting
I like Corbyn - I'd never vote for him because I don't support most of his policies nor many of his 'beliefs' but at least I 'know' what they are - far more so than the vast majority of politicians who have fair weather policies and beliefs that change at the drop of a hat if they think it will gain them more votes.
Most politicians in opposition say what they will do then invariably change when in government, whether Corbyn's ideas have the backing of his fellow Labour MPs is very doubtful. That's if he is even leader then.
 


Black Rod

Well-known member
Jan 19, 2013
948
I'm sure Cameron hopes that Corbyn will be across the Despatch Box for the next 4 years, personally I have my doubts...

Nice to see your respect for the electorate by the way.

It's always the same - it was the thick electorate that gave the Tories a majority after all

Democracy is a wonderful thing isn't it
 


Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
McDonnell has just been at the Despatch Box and pulled out and quoted passages from Chairman Mao's Red Book.

Unbelievable, this man aspires to be Chancellor and he's quoting a thoroughly discredited socialist mass-murderer in Parliament. Labour supporters deserve far better than this.
 




JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
McDonnell has just been at the Despatch Box and pulled out and quoted passages from Chairman Mao's Red Book.

Unbelievable, this man aspires to be Chancellor and he's quoting a thoroughly discredited socialist mass-murderer in Parliament. Labour supporters deserve far better than this.

I thought Gorgeous George handled it quite well http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34925962

Even the Guardian is reporting it as a bit of an own goal http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ell-mao-zedong-little-red-book-george-osborne
 


Soulman

New member
Oct 22, 2012
10,966
Sompting
McDonnell has just been at the Despatch Box and pulled out and quoted passages from Chairman Mao's Red Book.

Unbelievable, this man aspires to be Chancellor and he's quoting a thoroughly discredited socialist mass-murderer in Parliament. Labour supporters deserve far better than this.

Did he put the book next to the Agriculture Ministers book of "Vegan Lentils and Left Overs"
 






Seasidesage

New member
May 19, 2009
4,467
Brighton, United Kingdom
My only surprise is that anyone votes for any of these tossers regardless of which rosette they have on. Can there ever have been a less appealing choice between a bunch of hooray henry's and a whack job who lives on planet Zog.
 


Creaky

Well-known member
Mar 26, 2013
3,843
Hookwood - Nr Horley
My only surprise is that anyone votes for any of these tossers regardless of which rosette they have on. Can there ever have been a less appealing choice between a bunch of hooray henry's and a whack job who lives on planet Zog.

You've identified the problem with modern politics - people do vote for the 'rosette' NOT the person.

I'd make a guess that a large majority of the people entering a polling station have no idea about the person they intend to vote for, (not even their name), and just look for the party on the ballot paper.
 


Bold Seagull

strong and stable with me, or...
Mar 18, 2010
29,831
Hove
You've identified the problem with modern politics - people do vote for the 'rosette' NOT the person.

I'd make a guess that a large majority of the people entering a polling station have no idea about the person they intend to vote for, (not even their name), and just look for the party on the ballot paper.

But, at the end of the day, no matter who that person is, if they belong to a political party they will more often than not tow the party line, and be subject to the party whip. No good pretending we should all suddenly vote for individuals when those individuals are subject to the policies and ideology of the party they serve.
 




alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342
But, at the end of the day, no matter who that person is, if they belong to a political party they will more often than not tow the party line, and be subject to the party whip. No good pretending we should all suddenly vote for individuals when those individuals are subject to the policies and ideology of the party they serve.
Toe. :thumbsup:
 


Hampster Gull

New member
Dec 22, 2010
13,462
McDonnell has just been at the Despatch Box and pulled out and quoted passages from Chairman Mao's Red Book..

It is simply incredible. He has probably waited all his life to do that and has fulfilled a life long ambition. He could be second in charge....
 


Creaky

Well-known member
Mar 26, 2013
3,843
Hookwood - Nr Horley
But, at the end of the day, no matter who that person is, if they belong to a political party they will more often than not tow the party line, and be subject to the party whip. No good pretending we should all suddenly vote for individuals when those individuals are subject to the policies and ideology of the party they serve.

If the affiliated party were not printed on the ballot paper then voters would at least have to make some effort, prior to voting, to find out who the candidates are. More importantly candidates would know that it was the voters that determined who was elected rather than the party they belonged to. The majority of MPs are currently in power because of the party they belong to and it is therefore no surprise that they currently toe the party line.

The more we can separate MPs from the political parties and bring them closer to the electorate then the more likely it is that we will end up with a government guided by the 'will of the people' rather than the will of the party grandees.
 


portslade seagull

Well-known member
Jul 19, 2003
17,640
portslade
McDonnell has just been at the Despatch Box and pulled out and quoted passages from Chairman Mao's Red Book.

Unbelievable, this man aspires to be Chancellor and he's quoting a thoroughly discredited socialist mass-murderer in Parliament. Labour supporters deserve far better than this.

Are you sure it wasn't Janet and John go into politics ??
 






Questions

Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
24,896
Worthing
I used to think NSC had its fair share of socialists but I'm now thinking how far it's gone to the right. It just shows how far to the centre Blair was when elected. He was popular before and during the early days concerning the war with Iraq that hardly anyone on here argued against btw.
It's a fair bet that Corbyn won't be prime minister but it's outed all those who hate and fear debate and just launch ridiculous attacks upon the man. So he feels uneasy with events that would arise to a shoot and kill policy on suspected (or confirmed if that makes you happier) terrorists and would not consider pushing a button to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent civilian people.
The thing is he might just try and engage with the enemy before it got to that............oh shit he tried that with the IRA didn't he.... Good job old Mo had the same ideas.
 


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