Ched Evans

[Keeping The Dream Alive.]

Is Evans denying that he had sex with her? Or has he admitted that he did and his argument is that it was consensual? If so, why the hell is his girlfriend and her family standing by (and funding!) him?! Strange.

 

[fat old seagull]

I am in honesty perplexed that the CCRC is dealing with this with priority status, unless there are issues unknown to us.
And though of course whilst considering rape to be a most heinous of crimes only two people really know what truly went on.
There must be a zillion cases of sexual activity being regretful post event. I know there were times when I'd not been well pleased when sobriety had returned and I'd be taunted by my memory.... and sometimes my mates. I can't imagine how many girls had felt the same way about me too. And worse, there were I'm sure times when I'd been more eager to perform than the lady concerned, how close to rape have a lot of people actually been without struggling?
With footie players only having a limited longevity of occupation it 'could' be that the procrastination is unfair to him. If it turns out that he was unfairly convicted how does he get that time back? He can't just add a couple of years on at the end.
I'm not siding with Ched Evans and if he did the crime he truly deserves the punishment. But at what point in time will he have repaid society, I wonder?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Is Evans denying that he had sex with her? Or has he admitted that he did and his argument is that it was consensual? If so, why the hell is his girlfriend and her family standing by (and funding!) him?! Strange.

Quite the opposite. It was Evans (and McDonald) that told the Police they'd had sex, when questionned the next day. The girl reported only that her bag had been stolen (it hadn't - she'd left it in the kebab shop).

 

[Birdie Boy]

With all due respect [MENTION=12101]Mellotron[/MENTION] that's a RUBBISH analogy. In this case Evans DID break the vase - even he isn't claiming the event never happened.

Evans is claiming that the vase was never broken and there is no evidence to suggest the vase was broken, i.e. broken pieces/dna. He has admitted to handling the vase but that the owner consented to that. The jury have decided he is lying about the consent and that vase was broken even though there are no broken pieces of the vase (dna) as evidence...

 

[Bold Seagull]

Is Evans denying that he had sex with her? Or has he admitted that he did and his argument is that it was consensual? If so, why the hell is his girlfriend and her family standing by (and funding!) him?! Strange.

Sex between Evans and the victim is admitted by Evans and not in dispute.

 

[Mellotron]

I find it bizarre that people are demanding remorse from him when, if he WAS innocent, he's basically had his life ruined. If you believed yourself to be innocent in that situation, would you show remorse?

 

[jimbob5]

I find it bizarre that people are demanding remorse from him when, if he WAS innocent, he's basically had his life ruined. If you believed yourself to be innocent in that situation, would you show remorse?

I wasn't there when whatever happened and did not even know what came out of the trial.

 

[Mellotron]

I wasn't there when whatever happened and did not even know what came out of the trial.

My point is, if you are accused of something that you believe 100% to be innocent of, and in the process had your life utterly destroyed, how would you then feel when people are demanding you to show remorse?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

You can rewrite history all you want but a court decided that it was RAPE not consensual sex. To that extent his opinion of what happened is an irrelevance and shouldn't in any event prevent him showing contrition to the victim.
Words like "I genuinely thought it was consensual but (the court determined) I was clearly wrong and (the victim) has suffered emotionally which is something I am really sorry for"
If he had done that he would have been clear to return to his career. Failing to do so shows an arrogant disregard for social mores and will leave him ostracised.

Juries have been known to deliver wrong verdicts.

 

[Jolene81]

Quite the opposite. It was Evans (and McDonald) that told the Police they'd had sex, when questionned the next day. The girl reported only that her bag had been stolen (it hadn't - she'd left it in the kebab shop).

Pretty sure I watched a cctv footage of her retrieving her bag from the taxi when it tried to drive off with it

 

[hans kraay fan club]

I find it bizarre that people are demanding remorse from him when, if he WAS innocent, he's basically had his life ruined. If you believed yourself to be innocent in that situation, would you show remorse?

I find it equally bizarre, that some people don't consider his reprehensible actions that night worthy of plenty of remorse, REGARDLESS of his percieved innocence of the rape charge.

 

[severnside gull]

Juries have been known to deliver wrong verdicts.

Never doubt that. But we live in a society where we agree to be governed by a system of law.
It is what and where it is. Evans is guilty of rape as it stands and people can justifiably respond to that as the factual situation.

 

[Bold Seagull]

I find it bizarre that people are demanding remorse from him when, if he WAS innocent, he's basically had his life ruined. If you believed yourself to be innocent in that situation, would you show remorse?

He thinks he is innocent of rape. That doesn't detract from the fact that it is poor behaviour as viewed by society as a whole. I can think of many footballers who have had to apologise for their behaviour even though no laws were broken, and probably less sordid than what Evans got up to.

His innocence in law doesn't alter whether he has something to apologise for or not.

 

[Keeping The Dream Alive.]

Quite the opposite. It was Evans (and McDonald) that told the Police they'd had sex, when questionned the next day. The girl reported only that her bag had been stolen (it hadn't - she'd left it in the kebab shop).

Sex between Evans and the victim is admitted by Evans and not in dispute.

Thanks for clearing that up. I'm baffled. Makes me think that Evans' girlfriend must have already known the girl at hand, had a low opinion of her and is prepared to blame her for it. I've just stated the obvious there haven't I? Back to following this from afar, I think.

 

[Mellotron]

I find it equally bizarre, that some people don't consider his reprehensible actions that night worthy of plenty of remorse, REGARDLESS of his percieved innocence of the rape charge.

He has shown plenty of remorse towards his girlfriend for cheating on her, and yes the whole thing was very sordid and sleazy. I guess he could categorically show remorse, has he not?

 

[severnside gull]

My point is, if you are accused of something that you believe 100% to be innocent of, and in the process had your life utterly destroyed, how would you then feel when people are demanding you to show remorse?

Having been found guilty in court then no matter how I personally interpreted what happened I would consider showing remorse for (the victim) suffering to be the most expedient way of resuming my place in society.

 

[Hillian1]

I find it equally bizarre, that some people don't consider his reprehensible actions that night worthy of plenty of remorse, REGARDLESS of his percieved innocence of the rape charge.

This:

Even if she wasn't quite pissed enough not to consent properly, to me he would still be a scumbag who read a text from a mate saying 'I've got a bird' as an invitation to a threesome/porno shoot, lied his way into a hotel room, fked a drunk teenage girl he didn't know and sneaked out the fire exit leaving her to wake up in her own piss several hours later.

 

[jimbob5]

Is Evans denying that he had sex with her? Or has he admitted that he did and his argument is that it was consensual? If so, why the hell is his girlfriend and her family standing by (and funding!) him?! Strange.

the trouble is, the media seem scared to discuss what actually did happen in case they get it wrong and get sued for libel

 

[hans kraay fan club]

He has shown plenty of remorse towards his girlfriend for cheating on her, and yes the whole thing was very sordid and sleazy. I guess he could categorically show remorse, has he not?

He has apologised to his GF for cheating. Nothing else.

 

[spring hall convert]

It is Evans that chose to play this out in the court of public opinion with his pernicious website. With his refusal to condemn his supporters for revealing this girls identity five times and forcing her to lead a life on the run. With his refusal to condemn his supporters for bombarding Jessica Ennis-Hill with rape threats. His silence is a tacit approval

Hoisted on his own petard.