[Politics] Brexit

[Seagull58]

If that piddling little drop in the ocean is the best you can come up with then I think you need to go away and try just a little harder to give it your best shot.

And there is part of the problem with the EU.150 million a year wasted because the French insist of having an EU parliament in France. Yet this is just a drop in the ocean of money that the EU spends and wastes.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Apart from millions of voters being influenced the Sun and Mail?

Future elections should restrict all newspapers to reporting only-not allowing people like Murdoch to influence the gullible.

To be fair a free press is an intrinsic part of a democracy. We often measure freedom partly by how free a press a country has. Look at China and also the concerns being raised by journalists in Turkey. There is no real measure of this supposed influence that the press have over voting intentions, indeed it may be the reverse ie newspapers follow the views of their readership for commercial reasons. There does seem to be a bit of a pattern though of those that lose elections claiming it wasn't a fair election because of the press. The Right makes these accusations against the BBC and the Left against the Murdoch press. Its probably better to not engage in this type of thing and instead go out and win the debate.

 

[Colossal Squid]

You're asking those who didn't want this to come up with proposals to make it work?

I don't think any of us think it can work. That's the point.

You can talk about making the best of a bad situation and just getting on with it in time honoured British tradition but the fact of the matter is there is no precedent to this situation so we can't just look at what has worked or at least been less disastrous for other exiting nations, as there aren't any. There is no path to follow and contrary to popular opinion we don't actually have a great deal of bargaining chips. Our once strong economy (which by the way was overtaken by France yesterday) is based in a financial services industry intrinsically linked to Europe. We lose that and the remaining EU powers will have little interest in pandering to whatever nonsense demands Johnson and Gove make. As far as the EU are concerned we made our bed and we can lie it.

Assuming the full exit takes place (and we're a long way from that yet, thankfully) I can only really see a future as some sort of shady offshore tax haven for businesses operating in the EU but trying to shirk their responsibilities and circumvent the regulations.

Grim

 

[alfredmizen]

Because as an example it is so trivial as to be risible.

Really ? You consider the fact that the French are so intransigent that we have to move the EU parliament for 4 days a month at a cost of £150,000,000 a year , ''trivial'' ? Its symptomatic of the waste and corruption that are endemic throughout the EU and to brand it trivial is the epitome of what a lot of the remain camp dont ''get'' about people who voted to leave , there is also the little matter of the CAP and the fact that the auditors have refused to sign off the Eu accounts for the past 15 years or so.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Cameron made so many mistakes: calling the referendum now in the first place when he could have waited two years; not ensuring that non UK residents who could vote actually registered; not giving 16-17 year olds the vote.

Where were these complaints before the referendum? Would you be saying exactly the same had remain won by this margin, calling for a new referendum or calls to ignore the result as the margin of victory wasn't big enough?

Perhaps the biggest mistake of all was not to provide a 55% threshold for Leave. That would have been reasonable IMO given the uncertainty a Leave vote creates. Imagine the uproar if, say 600k people voted the other way and Leave won by a whisker.

Why 55%, why not 60 or 70 or 99% (until you get to a figure that fitted your own wishes)

If leave had won by 54.999% of the vote then the majority who voted still wanted out but the minority would win. How is that democratic? We'd have a decision where the majority would be left unhappy and make a mockery of the result just to please the losers who held the minority viewpoint. It certainly wouldn't be just.

 

[drew]

The public have spoken, end. The result is deeply unpalatable to me, but it stands. The people I am most angry with are the 13 million who could not be bothered to either get out of their armchair and actually express their preference, or take a little time to learn about the issues so that they had a preference. Maybe the direction of their life for the next 30 years was not important enough to worry about. People get the government that they deserve.

But before too much complacency seeps into the minds of the victors, they should think very long and hard about why the more educated half of the population almost universally voted to stay in. Worrying times ahead........

Have to agree with this. Some of the comments that I've heard from people that voted leave beggars belief. Heard one yesterday where she complained her benefits were going down so that's why she voted leave!!! Nothing at all to do with the elected government of this country! All this rubbish about 'we've got our country back' all that is likely to happen is that power has been dropped in the lap of the likes of Gove or Johnson et al. If the SNP win an independence referendum what hope for any government other than a Tory one?

Just heard Corbyn giving a speech about how Labour aren't going to let the Tories dismantle some of the reforms relating to workers rights, climate control etc. Exactly how does he think he is going to stop them all the time he is sitting on the opposition bench. Might have helped if he had been as passionate during the EU debate rather than after it!

 

[East Preston Gull]

They just need to get on with it and sort it. The British people have made their choice.
Juncker the old sot and his council of bafoons has not helped this at all. They act like a mafia taking cuts and offering protection. Free trade between us all, a bit of common sense is needed. **** off the commission and get on with it, just trade with our European cousins.

Simplistic I know but let's roll and sort the market out before the big storm comes. Mr Trumps election.

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[Neville's Breakfast]

I think that when the dust settles quite a few people who think of themselves as tolerant and liberal will be a little ashamed of the rather illiberal manner in which they have described their fellow citizens.

 

[el punal]

Doesn't the term Great Britain originate from the French Grande Bretagne which was coined to distinguish it from Bretagne or Britanny? Perhaps we could invite Brittany to join us as they have some lovely beaches there.

I'll go with that.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I can only really see a future as some sort of shady offshore tax haven for businesses operating in the EU but trying to shirk their responsibilities and circumvent the regulations.

Grim

Which is more-or-less what France's economy minister said last week - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36567469

We're in an unprecedented situation and never forget that people in this country have had enough of experts anyway.

 

[studio150]

All those lives lost for nothing.

This is a disgraceful comment, to say that all those that bravely made the ultimate sacrifice defending their country was for nothing. It just yells to me that you would have been happy for everyone to roll out the welcome carpet and let Hitler drive up the Mall without a shot being fired.

 

[Justice]

What about the one Million Poles in full time work in the uk will we offer them passports as many have settled and have had children here.

Why are you worried you might have to pay a plumber what he's actually worth?

 

[dingodan]

Can we start a petition to change the rules for last years Championship season?

We should have gone up, surely?

Actually, that's not very sporting and a little undignified isn't it.

 

[studio150]

Down surely?

I either missed the humour or you really have no clue. Oil is priced in dollars the pound falls against the dollar and you think the price will come down.

 

[Diego Napier]

Really ? You consider the fact that the French are so intransigent that we have to move the EU parliament for 4 days a month at a cost of £150,000,000 a year , ''trivial'' ? Its symptomatic of the waste and corruption that are endemic throughout the EU and to brand it trivial is the epitome of what a lot of the remain camp dont ''get'' about people who voted to leave , there is also the little matter of the CAP and the fact that the auditors have refused to sign off the Eu accounts for the past 15 years or so.

It's a drop in the ocean compared with the waste and corruption that's endemic throughout Britain life and to fail to recognise that it has always been so reflects the way that you and countless others of the leave camp will continue to be duped into believing that "we" now have the opportunity to regain control of our destiny.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Can we start a petition to change the rules for last years Championship season?

We should have gone up, surely?

Actually, that's not very sporting and a little undignified isn't it.

Nobody in 'leave' would have asked for a second referendum if they lost would they - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-previously-said-would-8273721

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Facts are obviously not your strong point.



(Listen from 5:15 onwards.)

So like having a commonwealth of nations who work together to provide peace and stability to the region. Not to exert control over how each other work and directly influence the lives of people in countries that are not their own (as per the EU)

Otherwise we should have just let the Germans win the World War because they would have united the continent under one leadership, they would have prevented war between other European countries because they would have been controlled by Germany and prevented from building up a mass of weapons to attack another European country, etc.

 

[studio150]

this 'Project' albeit with great stealth was started within a few years of the war ending.. .

So when we voted in 1975 about joining the common market was within a few years of the war ending,

 

[Medwayseagull]

The decisive turning point was when Wales voted out, had they voted remain the complete opposite result would have happened.

It is their performance in the euros that did it - over inflated belief in their own ability.

 

[Seagull58]

You're asking those who didn't want this to come up with proposals to make it work?

I don't think any of us think it can work. That's the point.

You can talk about making the best of a bad situation and just getting on with it in time honoured British tradition but the fact of the matter is there is no precedent to this situation so we can't just look at what has worked or at least been less disastrous for other exiting nations, as there aren't any. There is no path to follow and contrary to popular opinion we don't actually have a great deal of bargaining chips. Our once strong economy (which by the way was overtaken by France yesterday) is based in a financial services industry intrinsically linked to Europe. We lose that and the remaining EU powers will have little interest in pandering to whatever nonsense demands Johnson and Gove make. As far as the EU are concerned we made our bed and we can lie it.

Assuming the full exit takes place (and we're a long way from that yet, thankfully) I can only really see a future as some sort of shady offshore tax haven for businesses operating in the EU but trying to shirk their responsibilities and circumvent the regulations.

Grim

Greenland left the EEC 30 years ago because their fishing industry was being destroyed. SInce then, they have done very well, their industry has thrived and they export huge quantities to the EU.