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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


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pastafarian

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Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
This didn't happen before we joined the EU, as it wasn't needed. This isn't taking back control, but imposing control.

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why should non British nationals be exempt from criminal checks because they happen to be born in European countries........you have a warped sense of duty to the welfare of British residents. Disgusting really. You should be ashamed
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
why should non British nationals be exempt from criminal checks because they happen to be born in European countries........you have a warped sense of duty to the welfare of British residents. Disgusting really. You should be ashamed

Outstanding from you, truly outstanding. 1933-2018 and needs a criminal check.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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Herr Tubthumper

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People being forced to hand over personal information which can then be shared with private sector organisations inside and out of the U.K.. A truly shocking state of affairs made worse by a government which doesn’t know its arse from its elbow at the best of times. This is an utter recipe for disaster.

Britain really has become a grubby little nation.

Ashamed.
 






WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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i know,trade will continue even though some people think some countries are trying to stop us trading by putting in an objection to our schedules on goods.
Are you getting your crystal ball out to answer the employment status of the Polish ****?........must have been a hard question for you

So, if you knew why did you say

So global trade will continue uninterrupted for us and the EU even though our schedules will be uncertified . Thats what i thought.

And I had to correct you

I'm not sure whether you didn't read it or didn't understand it. The EU will continue on their existing schedules. Britain don't have any existing schedules so will use WTO default tariffs.

You may be able to see the problems that could arise if a country could simply submit a schedule and then start trading on that basis with no agreement from anyone :facepalm:

Nobody is trying to stop us trading and I don't know anyone who thinks that, although you keep saying it.

What Russia, USA etc are doing is simply forcing us to use the WTO defaults as they know we can't manage them on a procedural basis or economically.

Anyway, no point in any further time wasting as it isn't going to happen.

And I've never used my crystal ball on an imaginary acquaintance, I'm really not sure what would happen :lolol:
 
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pastafarian

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Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
So, if you knew why did you say



And I had to correct you



Nobody is trying to stop us trading and I don't know anyone who thinks that, although you keep saying it.

What Russia, USA etc are doing is simply forcing us to use the WTO defaults as they know we can't manage them on a procedural basis or economically.

Anyway, no point in any further time wasting as it isn't going to happen.

And I've never used my crystal ball on an imaginary acquaintance, I'm really not sure what would happen :lolol:

You didnt correct me......:dunce:
Glad that is clarified and that we will continue trade unhindered and that they cant stop us trading.
You should tell the idiots on twatter though who think they can.
 




WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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Because he doesn't really know what is going to happen. All he knows that if he keeps on listening and believing to the doomsayers who always predict the worst possible outcome. If he keeps listening to the words could ,might,maybe then perhaps we'll change our minds.

Out of interest, which parts of the following do you think is doomsayers, project fear etc and wrong ?

I’ll explain one more time for the hard of understanding.

Britain has submitted a new schedule of quotas and tariffs to the WTO. These define what volumes of goods we will import and the tariffs we will charge on those volumes (effectively managing the volumes of imports) and are based on the EU quotas and tariffs.

In excess of 20 members have objected to our submissions and negotiations are at a halt. The WTO allows for disputes (which under WTO, can take years to resolve) by allowing the continuation of existing quotas and tariffs in the interim. This is what the EU will use as they have also had their submission for reduced quotas objected to, and a number of Brexiteers have referred to this interim position as the solution to ‘no deal’.

However, for all major trading nations and blocs, Britain does not have any existing quotas or tariffs, as they have always traded under the EU’s Schedules. We do have some negotiated tariffs and quotas for some smaller economies where the EU decided it wasn’t cost effective to negotiate for the EU as a whole.

So, from the day we leave we will revert to the WTOs default tariffs (there are no default quotas) for all major economies and trading blocs. This means that not only will be charging the highest possible tariffs on all imports, but the EU will start charging us tariffs on all goods exported to them. (Currently 95% of our lamb exports go to the EU and these will be subject to a tariff of 50% from day 1). We also lose control of import volumes due to the lack of quotas.

Some interesting figures from Parliament on volumes and tariffs here https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmenvfru/348/34805.htm

We don’t have to apply the tariffs (another Brexiteer argument) but we must treat all WTO members the same (Most Favoured Nation). So, for instance, if we decide not to apply the import tariffs on meat, we destroy the British Beef, Lamb and Pork industries by undercutting them with non-tariffed imports.

The above reasons are why no other nation in the world would ever consider trading solely on WTO defaults.

Besides which, we have no procedures, systems or staff in place to operate any of the above in 90 days time.

Before you go running off desperately trying to find something wrong with what I’ve written above, I can save you the bother. If you can contain your excitement for a few more weeks, Her Majesty’s Government will confirm what I have been telling you for the last 2 and a half years, that ‘no deal’ isn’t going to happen anyway :shrug:

*edit* And for the benefit of [MENTION=17469]melias shoes[/MENTION], this is just a little of what you don't understand
 
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WATFORD zero

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Jul 10, 2003
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You didnt correct me......:dunce:
Glad that is clarified and that we will continue trade unhindered and that they cant stop us trading.
You should tell the idiots on twatter though who think they can.

Of course i didn't correct you when you said
So global trade will continue uninterrupted for us and the EU even though our schedules will be uncertified .

And I corrected you
The EU will continue on their existing schedules. Britain don't have any existing schedules so will use WTO default tariffs.


And besides which I thought you said only idiots go on twatter (whatever that may be)

Never been on it myself :D

Anyway, enough silly games :bigwave:
 
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Baldseagull

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Jan 26, 2012
10,987
Crawley
You didnt correct me......:dunce:
Glad that is clarified and that we will continue trade unhindered and that they cant stop us trading.
You should tell the idiots on twatter though who think they can.

It won't be unhindered, it will be with the hindrance of WTO tariffs, Customs delays and paperwork.
 








pastafarian

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Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
Pretty low, even from you, to try to defend this.

Its not low to protect your own citizens and request criminal background checks from non British nationals. We do it increasingly with non EU nationals. Where is your outrage at that? Hypocrite much?
On what grounds should foreign nationals here to live and work be exempt from a criminal check?
 






JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
i see a remoaner posted this as a reply to the home office

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Some of them are beyond ridiculous, frankly some of them appear completely unhinged with drama levels that high over immigration controls

I posted a link to an article about Remoaner types suffering from some sort of disorder a while back. It was meant as a humorous dig but now I'm beginning to think it's entirely accurate. :mad:
 


Billy the Fish

Technocrat
Oct 18, 2005
17,508
Haywards Heath
People being forced to hand over personal information which can then be shared with private sector organisations inside and out of the U.K.. A truly shocking state of affairs made worse by a government which doesn’t know its arse from its elbow at the best of times. This is an utter recipe for disaster.

Britain really has become a grubby little nation.

Ashamed.

Haven't you previously said that you have to register as a foreign national to live in Germany? Surely in principle this is standard admin that the UK should've already been doing.

I'm not angling for a row here, I think the £65 charge is petty poor, as is sharing data. This affects my partner and her family, they're ok and can afford it but some of their extended family might have a bit of trouble. The home office is undoubtedly incompetent with a bit of a nasty steak, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't attempt to do things properly.
 








Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
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The Fatherland
Ones who have been here longer than a lot of British citizens!? When are you taken your check? How do we know you are not a risk to this country?

The government have given no details regarding the “criminality” side of things whatsoever. Are families now living under anxiety because father has a speeding conviction from 20 years ago? Teen daughter might be deported as she got caught shoplifting a deodorant due to peer-pressure a few years ago?

And it’s a bit rich coming in the same week as this **** who only changed his tune once he lost his savings

https://www.theguardian.com/law/201...alsely-accused-tory-mp-attacks-legal-aid-cuts

Once a few Tories start having their families suffer they might rethink.
 


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