[Politics] Brexit

[Lincoln Imp]

Another serious problem, of course, is the apparent (and deluded) belief amongst remainers that they have some sort of magical powers to know what leavers are/were thinking. The truth is, of course, they haven't a clue...

But with respect do you have any more of a clue than you say Remainers do? You know why YOU voted leave, but what about the others?

Leaver after Leaver has come on here telling us exactly why people voted Leave - it often seems to involve democratic deficits of one sort or another - but do they really know?

I am no more of an expert than anyone else on here but I'd humbly suggest that only those who predicted a Leave win could claim to even partly understand the inchoate rage so many ordinary people felt, the visceral distaste for the system that contributed so much (I believe) to the 23 June result.

 

[Commander]

How is this thread going? Has anyone changed anybody’s mind yet?


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[GT49er]

But with respect do you have any more of a clue than you say Remainers do? You know why YOU voted leave, but what about the others?

Leaver after Leaver has come on here telling us exactly why people voted Leave - it often seems to involve democratic deficits of one sort or another - but do they really know?

I am no more of an expert than anyone else on here but I'd humbly suggest that only those who predicted a Leave win could claim to even partly understand the inchoate rage so many ordinary people felt, the visceral distaste for the system that contributed so much (I believe) to the 23 June result.

I've got several ides why some people might have voted leave. I know why I did myself, but I don't know exactly why each one of my fellow leave voters voted as they did. The remoaners tedious mantra of old, thick, racist , fascist and stupid just doesn't fit many people that I know.

As for how people think that want to remain in the shit-hole that is the EU, I have no idea what they're thinking, and I don't try to claim to know what on earth they are thinking either. I would never so presume. That's what sets me apart from remainers.

 

[GT49er]

How is this thread going? Has anyone changed anybody’s mind yet?


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Those that think the end of the world is at hand as a result of Brexit will never change their minds unless or until it actually happens! The plaintive cries of 'We are doomed! We are doomed!' will echo round these sceptre isles for a long time, probably until the 'we are doomed' brigade have all passed on.

 

[portslade seagull]

The only bedwetters are the brexit lot. They can't stand Europe and wet the bed and pulled out.

I probably travel across to Europe at least 3 times a year. I like it but still voted out because I didn't like the way they dictate to get there own way. It was never meant to end up like it did.

 

[portslade seagull]

£50billion and we are worse off !

Not what you said though was it. Backtracking of the highest order

 

[GT49er]

The only bedwetters are the brexit lot. They can't stand Europe and wet the bed and pulled out.

I'm sorry - that comment really confirms it.





You really don't know what you're talking about..................................sorry, but the truth must out.

 

[portslade seagull]

I'm sorry - that comment really confirms it.





You really don't know what you're talking about..................................sorry, but the truth must out.

Maybe we need to club together an buy him a dummy to suck on until he grows up

 

[vegster]

Not what you said though was it. Backtracking of the highest order

What did I say ?

 

[GT49er]

If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
Brexiteers couldn't take the EU and couldn't be bothered to stay and fight to improve things...so they leave. LAZY.

Oh come on! Don't say anything even more stupid! Couldn't be bothered? - why the f*** do you think 17M of us turned out to out-vote your lot?

Brexiteers were - and are - very committed to the future of our country, both for those who appreciate it and those who don't think it's much to get enthusiastic about, unless it joins a big club with some bigger boys. I think you'll find that it's remoaners who were too scared to leave, rather than Brexiteers not being bothered. Brexiteers care very deeply. Remainers must have believed Project Fear, poor little urchins. Or maybe just standing on their own feet was a bit too daunting........

 

[Lincoln Imp]

I've got several ides why some people might have voted leave. I know why I did myself, but I don't know exactly why each one of my fellow leave voters voted as they did. The remoaners tedious mantra of old, thick, racist , fascist and stupid just doesn't fit many people that I know.

As for how people think that want to remain in the shit-hole that is the EU, I have no idea what they're thinking, and I don't try to claim to know what on earth they are thinking either. I would never so presume. That's what sets me apart from remainers.

But can't you see that you are stereotyping Remainers in a way that you accuse Remainers of doing about Leavers?

(For the record, none of the large number of Remainers I know thinks that the rather smaller number of Leavers I know are elderly thick fascists. The demographic evidence points to some tendencies regarding age and education among Leavers but putting universal labels on any group of people has to be wrong and none of my Remain friends do it. I also note your apparent lack of interest in or understanding of the 16m people who voted differently to you, other than that they apparently like what you call shit-holes. I doubt you're alone in this. Depressing times indeed.)

 

[GT49er]

But can't you see that you are stereotyping Remainers in a way that you accuse Remainers of doing about Leavers?

No I'm not,. I have categorically stated that I don't know (or pretend to know) what they were thinking, or why they did what they did. I do have, however, formed opinions about some of the remainers on here, purely from what they've said in their posts, not from any preconceptions.

You have to admit that the theory that leavers are old, racist, thick and fascist has been postulated by your fellow remainers many times in this thread. That, I'm afraid, is just fact.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

No I'm not,. I have categorically stated that I don't know (or pretend to know) what they were thinking, or why they did what they did. I do have, however, formed opinions about some of the remainers on here, purely from what they've said in their posts, not from any preconceptions.

You have to admit that the theory that leavers are old, racist, thick and fascist has been postulated by your fellow remainers many times in this thread. That, I'm afraid, is just fact.

If we are trading stereotypes then we should also acknowledge the stereotype of the EU create by the likes of Farage and his friends. This was a very powerful part of the Bexit narrative - and OK. like most stereotypes they do reflect some reality. On the issue of stereotyping of Leave voters, I desperately don't want to fall into the trap of characterisation of them as thick etc but then you see a vox pop on TV (there was one on the Daily Politics programme yesterday) which can be just so utterly depressing as you hear people trot out the most uninformed, reflexive and sometimes just rather nasty justifications of their views. I'm not saying that all Remainers are articulate, well-informed and have a deep insight into economic theory but my goodness the Leave case - and yes, I know they won - can sometimes (note, sometimes) be little more than a collective chip of the shoulder masquerading as national pride. (It's a bit like watching old newsreel from 1970 when people were asked about decimalisation.)
To be honest some of the Leavers on this forum do actually raise the level of debate. Sometimes.

 

[Berty23]

No I'm not,. I have categorically stated that I don't know (or pretend to know) what they were thinking, or why they did what they did. I do have, however, formed opinions about some of the remainers on here, purely from what they've said in their posts, not from any preconceptions.

You have to admit that the theory that leavers are old, racist, thick and fascist has been postulated by your fellow remainers many times in this thread. That, I'm afraid, is just fact.

No one is saying all leave voters are thick. People are simply saying what the demographics show.

The demographic characteristic with the strongest correlation to voting pattern was education. The lowest qualified most likely to vote leave and highest qualified most likely to remain and a sliding scale in between.

The second strongest correlation was age. Older voters most likely to vote leave and remain was thebyoung.

Obviously some of these points are related because younger people are more likely to have degrees than older people etc.

To dismiss these facts as people accusing groups of being thick is, well, acting a bit thick.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

No one is saying all leave voters are thick. People are simply saying what the demographics show.

The demographic characteristic with the strongest correlation to voting pattern was education. The lowest qualified most likely to vote leave and highest qualified most likely to remain and a sliding scale in between.

The second strongest correlation was age. Older voters most likely to vote leave and remain was thebyoung.

Obviously some of these points are related because younger people are more likely to have degrees than older people etc.

To dismiss these facts as people accusing groups of being thick is, well, acting a bit thick.

WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE WORD LEAVE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THICKO
regards
DR

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE WORD LEAVE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THICKO
regards
DR

That post is wonderful.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

That post is wonderful.

and you're another one who can't come to grips with the word LEAVE
regards
DR

 

[ManOfSussex]

WHAT IS IT ABOUT THE WORD LEAVE YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THICKO
regards
DR

Whilst you're here out of interest, as you know how much us on the remain side value your insight as the most respected member of the leave side, what you do or like to see happen in regards to the Irish border question?

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

and you're another one who can't come to grips with the word LEAVE
regards
DR

Yes indeed. The future is not clear to me on this.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Whilst you're here out of interest, as you know how much us on the remain side value your insight as the most respected member of the leave side, what you do or like to see happen in regards to the Irish border question?

anybody's guess at the moment BUT has to be no freedom of movement , but if you think that old Irish Government baloney about throwing a spanner in the works is going to work it won't wash , trust me, still leaving BTW
regards
DR