[Politics] Brexit

[beorhthelm]

i think people are vastly underestimating the ability of EU to fudge and kick the can down the road, they could extend negotiations for years then call present a whole new sort of european union we might like.

 

[Soulman]

Love the sudden Commonwealth love in from Brexiteers, we best forget the US trade deal with have bigger fish to fry

Well contrary to the Remainers constant jibes of racism and nationalism etc, the Commonwealth has only been mentioned as trading outside the EU. Many times it has been stated that we can deal with the Commonwealth and the rest of the World.
Perhaps you were on holiday, or had your mind shut when these opinions were put on this very board, more like it does not fit your perceived view of a Brexiteer.

 

[Soulman]

And which rainbow produced this magical pot of EU gold?Did the Tooth Fairy leave it under Junker's pillow?Or could it be some of the British taxpayers money grudgingly given back?

Add in the Ark........and you are studio 150, where is my prize.

 

[pastafarian]

I think you are vastly underestimating the ability for these negotiations to turn sour. Whilst I too think that crashing out of the EU will not happen, it would be infinitely less surprising than the Grand National winners you suggest. I would put the chances somewhat closer to the odds you could have got on a Trump/Brexit win double this time last year.

I had a bet on both those two, the odds were very attractive for two horse races. Definately worth a bet even for a casual gambler.
Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and have a punt on no more flight travel, you have as much chance of finding a bookie actually running that market as you will finding a bookie offering odds for a Shergar victory......wonder why that is?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Us and EU will sit down and have a specific chat about air travel.Im really not going to worry myself that as a result of these chats both parties would allow a situation where there are no UK to EU or EU to UK flights, this outcome is as likely as Lord Lucan turning up at Aintree and riding Shergar to victory in the Grand National.
You worry about it if you like……I wont in the slightest.
As a non EU citizen i am also not envisaging being unable to get on the ferry to France in the future. You worry about that as well if it turns you on........i dont know how some of you get out of bed in the morning.

But you write this most likely as a member of the public who probably doesn't travel regularly . Obviously there will still be flights. But, you pop a few hurdles in the way of frequent flyers they will go elsewhere; this might be cost and/or bureaucracy. And if they're investors and/or entrepreneurs they will take their expertise and money elsewhere. If you look at the flow of investment capital around the world quick and easy transport connections correlate strongly. And in a post-Brexit world you're gonna need investment more than ever. It's very easy to say it's just an extra piece of paper you need to sign but for frequent flyers it, and the associated extra red tape, can and will be prohibitive. Remember around 10 years back when there was a shortage of border people at Heathrow and how it affected business travel?

 

[Buzzer]

Well done the Dutch. Civilised people.

Thank God for that. Bet Nigel, Theresa, Michael and Boris are a bit hacked off. Luckily we don't seem to have exported the casual racism of Brexit to The Netherlands.

Eh? Where to start on this? Probably best to ignore Jim in the West's rantings and just comment on the election result itself. Going by the exit polls, Wilders' party increased their seats to become joint second biggest party whereas the largest party whose victory you are celebrating lost 25% of their seats and their socialist coalition chums in the PvdA lost 75%. The other outright socialist party the SP also lost seats whereas the right-wing CDA and the Christenunie all gained seats. Wilders is now a big player in the Dutch Parliament and the Dutch have taken a huge step to the right. Assuming you both aren't fans of the new populist politics then you're silly sausages for claiming this as a victory.

 

[pastafarian]

But you write this most likely as a member of the public who probably doesn't travel regularly . Obviously there will still be flights. But, you pop a few hurdles in the way of frequent flyers they will go elsewhere; this might be cost and/or bureaucracy. And if they're investors and/or entrepreneurs they will take their expertise and money elsewhere. If you look at the flow of investment capital around the world quick and easy transport connections correlate strongly. And in a post-Brexit world you're gonna need investment more than ever.

I travel plenty and agree there will be flights for all the reasons you give.
Its quite ridiculous for some people to be suggesting otherwise.

 

[Baldseagull]

I had a bet on both those two, the odds were very attractive for two horse races. Definately worth a bet even for a casual gambler.
Why dont you put your money where your mouth is and have a punt on no more flight travel, you have as much chance of finding a bookie actually running that market as you will finding a bookie offering odds for a Shergar victory......wonder why that is?

In the absence of any bookmaker willing to offer odds, are you willing to?

 

[Baldseagull]

I travel plenty and agree there will be flights for all the reasons you give.
Its quite ridiculous for some people to be suggesting otherwise.

If there is a period of time where we have no arrangements for how we deal with each other, what do you imagine will happen in that period?

 

[studio150]

But you write this most likely as a member of the public who probably doesn't travel regularly . Obviously there will still be flights. But, you pop a few hurdles in the way of frequent flyers they will go elsewhere; this might be cost and/or bureaucracy. And if they're investors and/or entrepreneurs they will take their expertise and money elsewhere. If you look at the flow of investment capital around the world quick and easy transport connections correlate strongly. And in a post-Brexit world you're gonna need investment more than ever. It's very easy to say it's just an extra piece of paper you need to sign but for frequent flyers it, and the associated extra red tape, can and will be prohibitive. Remember around 10 years back when there was a shortage of border people at Heathrow and how it affected business travel?

Especially if we go the way of the USA and insist on visa for passengers that are changing flights at UK Airport hubs, they will look for different routes to avoid the additional hassle.

 

[studio150]

Well contrary to the Remainers constant jibes of racism and nationalism etc, the Commonwealth has only been mentioned as trading outside the EU. Many times it has been stated that we can deal with the Commonwealth and the rest of the World.
Perhaps you were on holiday, or had your mind shut when these opinions were put on this very board, more like it does not fit your perceived view of a Brexiteer.

Yes but you dare to mention that many of the Commonwealth countries wont be trading with the UK at significant volumes to pick up the slack and you just get accused of racism by the right wing leavers (and for avoidance of doubt that is not you)

 

[pastafarian]

In the absence of any bookmaker willing to offer odds, are you willing to?

unfortunately i dont have a licence to operate as a bookie,give William Hill a call,let me know how much they laughed.

If there is a period of time where we have no arrangements for how we deal with each other, what do you imagine will happen in that period?

There will not be a period of time where no arrangements will be in place with regard to air travel that would result in no flights operating.

 

[studio150]

Im more concerned that you would believe a daft scare story coming from a 600 year old man which would make you get on an imaginary ship to escape a global flood that was scientifically impossible and never happened.
You are clearly the target gullible audience for all the hogwash predictions out there.

Then the flood began. The fountains of the deep broke open, and the windows of heaven were opened. Rain poured for forty days and forty nights. The waters rose until every high hill on the earth was covered . Everything that lived on land perished on the raging floodwaters,

This report of the flood from Genesis 7.17-24 is taken as gospel in the Southern USA states as well as Vatican City and elsewhere.

Your view is just the sort of thing you would expect from a heathen

 

[pastafarian]

Then the flood began. The fountains of the deep broke open, and the windows of heaven were opened. Rain poured for forty days and forty nights. The waters rose until every high hill on the earth was covered . Everything that lived on land perished on the raging floodwaters,

This report of the flood from Genesis 7.17-24 is taken as gospel in the Southern USA states as well as Vatican City and elsewhere.

Your view is just the sort of thing you would expect from a heathen

And two kangaroos hopped all the way from Australia to The Middle East to get on a cruise and then hopped all the way back again after it had finished.
Ill stick with my heathen view its poppycock if its all the same to you.

would you be interested in buying some miracle spring water?

 

[beorhthelm]

Especially if we go the way of the USA and insist on visa for passengers that are changing flights at UK Airport hubs, they will look for different routes to avoid the additional hassle.

why on earth would we start to insist on transit visa when we dont currently, and want to project a policy of free trade with the world?

 

[studio150]

why on earth would we start to insist on transit visa when we dont currently, and want to project a policy of free trade with the world?

Security and part of the requirements from the USA in getting a trade deal with them.

 

[beorhthelm]

Security and part of the requirements from the USA in getting a trade deal with them.

and why wouldnt they require such security provisions now? is this in TTIP? or another invention of fear.

 

[Baldseagull]

There will not be a period of time where no arrangements will be in place with regard to air travel that would result in no flights operating.

No deal is better than a bad deal, but we will have a deal over aviation and have decided on Visa arrangements and have them all issued, if required?

 

[pastafarian]

No deal is better than a bad deal, but we will have a deal over aviation and have decided on Visa arrangements and have them all issued, if required?

Is it so hard to grasp?
Yes, when we all sit down and chat about air travel it will result in an agreement about air travel.
It is beyond extreme to worry that both parties would let discussions about air travel lapse into the situation where air travel from Europe to UK and vice versa would cease all together.
Too many jobs at stake across the whole continent that are reliant on the air industry actually existing between the UK and EU for that to happen.

I was going to say can you really see Herr T having to get the megabus or train over here to watch the Albion but you are already in the camp UK nationals wont have any rights to travel to Europe anyway, so that question will be lost to you as you ponder how quickly mass deportations will be carried out.

Seriously chap, you worry too much.You no flight people are being ridiculous.

 

[Baldseagull]

Is it so hard to grasp?
Yes, when we all sit down and chat about air travel it will result in an agreement about air travel.
It is beyond extreme to worry that both parties would let discussions about air travel lapse into the situation where air travel from Europe to UK and vice versa would cease all together.
Too many jobs at stake across the whole continent that are reliant on the air industry actually existing between the UK and EU for that to happen.

I was going to say can you really see Herr T having to get the megabus or train over here to watch the Albion but you are already in the camp UK nationals wont have any rights to travel to Europe anyway, so that question will be lost to you as you ponder how quickly mass deportations will be carried out.

Seriously chap, you worry too much.You no flight people are being ridiculous.

I am not suggesting it will cease for good, I am suggesting that if we leave after failing to reach an agreement, there will be a period where it will not be possible. It may get resolved quickly, but it may not.