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[Politics] Brexit
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Two Professors
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Quoted by the BBC today so I presume they are.I expect the EU hoped nobody would take any notice.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
So if the germans aren't for changing,how come Merkel is now all for coming down hard on their new guests?
Baldseagull
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Nope, still not a threat is it. What is being talked about is spending commitments that Britain has, they include the UK’s share of outstanding pensions liabilities, loan guarantees and spending on UK-based projects.
This is not a penalty for leaving, these are payments due whether we are in or out.
JC Footy Genius
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- Jun 9, 2015
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Who has ever said it is not allowed? Strawman #1
Who has said everything is wonderful? Strawman #2
Of course it's wallowing in negativity if you only ever focus on and highlight the possible risks and dowsides. The latest example being your post about a possible rise in car prices meanwhile we have the fastest growth in the UK service sector (thought this was a vital sector of the UK economy?) for 17 months. Positive, welcome news that is of slightly more significance.
I cannot foresee any set of circumstances where hardcore remoaners will be happy, now or in two, five, ten years time ... even if by some miracle we achieved, full employment, booming economy, rising living standards and the EU continued to lurch from one self-induced crisis to the next .. then went tits up.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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If Germany understands it history then they know full well that they will need to be allied with other strong western countries that Bradly share its views on democracy, trade and international politics.
If you think the UK has nothing to offer in trade, just reflect on the position UK has in Europe militarily and in areas like intelligence.
If you think the EU wants to drive a wedge between it and the UK on trade but then rely on the UK's military strength and intelligence then you are missing the wider realpolitik.
That the trouble with you Tories, free market capitalism is all you are worried about.
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Exit bill of up to 43 billion pounds, what a fing con this is. Seriously doesn't anyone on the Remain side think this is a complete and utter bloody rip off. 43 billion for what? Sooner we get out the better.
studio150
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studio150
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An exit fee was always known as one of the costs of leaving.
alfredmizen
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Yes , we're members of NATO, your point is ?
studio150
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Who has ever said it is not allowed? Strawman #1
Who has said everything is wonderful? Strawman #2
Of course it's wallowing in negativity if you only ever focus on and highlight the possible risks and dowsides. The latest example being your post about a possible rise in car prices meanwhile we have the fastest growth in the UK service sector (thought this was a vital sector of the UK economy?) for 17 months. Positive, welcome news that is of slightly more significance.
I cannot foresee any set of circumstances where hardcore remoaners will be happy, now or in two, five, ten years time ... even if by some miracle we achieved, full employment, booming economy, rising living standards and the EU continued to lurch from one self-induced crisis to the next .. then went tits up.
You forgot to mention its now £10 more to fill you tank thanks to the rise in oil prices and the much lower valued pound.
And the survey from last week where the Service Sector is planning its most widespread price increases since 2011.
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cunning fergus
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beorhthelm
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was that the same survey that show service sector confidence was up? manufacturing rose as did construction, all on increased demand. swings and roundabouts.
larus
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Agree with most of what you say, except the last bit as I would be a more natural conservative than socialist. I think party politics should be excluded from the Brexit debate as they aren't relevant IMO.
larus
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And why do you think that is? The dollar has rallied recently as inflation expectations have increased in the US since the Presidential election, rates have risen (unlike in the UK where Mark '****' Carney cut them for political reasons), and the forward guidance there is pointing to a steeper rate curve. But, as usual, some people don't understand the overall picture and choose to select a certain piece of data as proof of the limited view.
But do carry on.
larus
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I see that the treasury today has admitted that they were totally wrong about the financial crisis and Brexit.
Andy Haldane, the Bank of England’s chief economist, said there was a “disconnect” between political warnings about Brexit and the “remarkably placid” state of the markets, adding that the worst predictions may turn out to be “just scare stories”.
When it was put to him that the Bank of England had forecast a “hurricane” after the Brexit vote which had not materialised, Mr Haldane replied: “It’s true, and again fair cop.”
He said: “We had foreseen a sharper slowdown in the economy than has happened, in common with almost every other mainstream macro forecaster. Why has that been the case? We need look no further than the behaviour of the British consumer, the British housing market.
“If you look at how the consumer performed during the course of the last year it’s almost as though the referendum had not taken place. In terms of the real things like pay and jobs not very much happened during the course of last year. It’s pretty much business as usual. The spending power in people’s pockets was not materially dented.”
He said that people were still likely to see “something of a squeeze” on their spending power this year because the falling value of the pound would lead to rising prices. However, he added that it was not “inevitable”.
He said: “Right now there is a very interesting disconnect between what we read in the papers about the degree of political and policy uncertainty, which by any historical metric is at high levels, and what we have seen from the economy and financial markets, which have actually been remarkably placid. That disconnect cannot last forever. There will need to be a reconciliation between the two ... Maybe some of the scarier stories politically will be seen to be just that – scare stories. ”
As you Remainers have continually said, the experts were predicting doom and gloom. We Brexiters have said there may be some effect but nothings really happened. Now, even the Remainers 'cheerleaders' are admitting they haven't got a frigging clue. So, it's about time you stopped saying the world will end.
Andy Haldane, the Bank of England’s chief economist, said there was a “disconnect” between political warnings about Brexit and the “remarkably placid” state of the markets, adding that the worst predictions may turn out to be “just scare stories”.
When it was put to him that the Bank of England had forecast a “hurricane” after the Brexit vote which had not materialised, Mr Haldane replied: “It’s true, and again fair cop.”
He said: “We had foreseen a sharper slowdown in the economy than has happened, in common with almost every other mainstream macro forecaster. Why has that been the case? We need look no further than the behaviour of the British consumer, the British housing market.
“If you look at how the consumer performed during the course of the last year it’s almost as though the referendum had not taken place. In terms of the real things like pay and jobs not very much happened during the course of last year. It’s pretty much business as usual. The spending power in people’s pockets was not materially dented.”
He said that people were still likely to see “something of a squeeze” on their spending power this year because the falling value of the pound would lead to rising prices. However, he added that it was not “inevitable”.
He said: “Right now there is a very interesting disconnect between what we read in the papers about the degree of political and policy uncertainty, which by any historical metric is at high levels, and what we have seen from the economy and financial markets, which have actually been remarkably placid. That disconnect cannot last forever. There will need to be a reconciliation between the two ... Maybe some of the scarier stories politically will be seen to be just that – scare stories. ”
As you Remainers have continually said, the experts were predicting doom and gloom. We Brexiters have said there may be some effect but nothings really happened. Now, even the Remainers 'cheerleaders' are admitting they haven't got a frigging clue. So, it's about time you stopped saying the world will end.
studio150
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The link between trade and military is not present. The UK will still stand together with other NATO members regardless of whether EU members or not.
studio150
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And without the effect of Brexit on the value of the pound the domestic cost of fuel would be higher or lower.