[Albion] 2021-22 Teams We Can't Catch/Can't Catch Us Thread

[Acker79]

Pos	Team	Pl	gd	pts	Max
1	Man City	31	52	74	95
2	Liverpool	31	57	73	94
3	Chelsea	30	41	62	86
4	Tottenham	32	18	57	75
5	Man Utd	32	8	54	72
6	Arsenal	31	8	54	75
7	West Ham	32	9	51	69
8	Wolves	32	5	49	67
9	Leicester	29	-3	40	67
10	Brighton	32	-8	40	58
11	Brentford	33	-8	39	54
12	Southampton	32	-14	39	57
13	Crystal Palace	31	3	37	58
14	Aston Villa	31	-4	36	57
15	Newcastle	31	-20	34	55
16	Leeds	32	-30	33	51
17	Everton	30	-19	28	52
18	Burnley	30	-19	24	48
19	Watford	32	-32	22	40
20	Norwich	32	-44	21	39

 

[hart's shirt]

That final Champions League spot is ours for the taking.

Clearly no-one else wants it at the moment.

 

[Bodian]

If results stay as they are, you can more or less add in Watford as well (unless they can make up a 24 goal GD - which is unlikely!)

Maybe they could be in Orange?

 

[GT49er]

Maybe they could be in Orange?

No, they're happy in yellow and black (at home anyway).

 

[um bongo molongo]

Pos	Team	Pl	gd	pts	Max
1	Man City	31	52	74	95
2	Liverpool	31	57	73	94
3	Chelsea	30	41	62	86
4	Tottenham	32	18	57	75
5	Man Utd	32	8	54	72
6	Arsenal	31	8	54	75
7	West Ham	32	9	51	69
8	Wolves	32	5	49	67
9	Leicester	29	-3	40	67
10	Brighton	32	-8	40	58
11	Brentford	33	-8	39	54
12	Southampton	32	-14	39	57
13	Crystal Palace	31	3	37	58
14	Aston Villa	31	-4	36	57
15	Newcastle	31	-20	34	55
16	Leeds	32	-30	33	51
17	Everton	30	-19	28	52
18	Burnley	30	-19	24	48
19	Watford	32	-32	22	40
20	Norwich	32	-44	21	39

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[Audax]

Pos	Team	Pl	gd	pts	Max
1	Man City	31	52	74	95
2	Liverpool	31	57	73	94
3	Chelsea	30	41	62	86

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That shade of green is terrible for reading - practically impossible once quoted. Maybe try 3c9e3c instead?

 

[Acker79]

That shade of green is terrible for reading - practically impossible once quoted. Maybe try 3c9e3c instead?

I did offer up a choice before, there was some issue with some of the colours not being available to everyone. But happy to give it a go.

EDIT: https://www.northstandchat.com/show...9-20-Edition&p=9235230&viewfull=1#post9235230

 

[Audax]

I did offer up a choice before, there was some issue with some of the colours not being available to everyone. But happy to give it a go.

EDIT: https://www.northstandchat.com/show...9-20-Edition&p=9235230&viewfull=1#post9235230

Ahh yep, and I see that in that thread I suggested using symbols instead of colours as a result.

The problem as I see it:

1. Tapatalk apparently doesn't support the full range of colours (why the blinkin' F not?!?)

2. The choices that Tapatalk does support fail web accessibility contrast tests - input 00FF00 in the first colour picker, and F8F8F8 in the second to test what we get here [it's E9E9E9 for quotes, and that fails even harder].

So ... we need to either find a colour that both works on Tapatalk and works for contrast on other devices OR use a non-colour based method.

In terms of colours, might need to move away from Greens - the background colour on desktop/mobile browsers is a light grey, which means green isn't going to work unless you use a darker shade. You might get away with using a mid-blue such as #0077BB or purple (#B400FF) (needs to be light enough to not be confused with the standard near-black text colour, but dark enough to have enough contrast).

(I'll stay away from considering other web accessibility considerations such as making it screen-reader friendly for those who are sight impaired... now there's a can of worms that I suspect vB 4 isn't going to like).

 

[GT49er]

Ahh yep, and I see that in that thread I suggested using symbols instead of colours as a result.

The problem as I see it:

1. Tapatalk apparently doesn't support the full range of colours (why the blinkin' F not?!?)

2. The choices that Tapatalk does support fail web accessibility contrast tests - input 00FF00 in the first colour picker, and F8F8F8 in the second to test what we get here [it's E9E9E9 for quotes, and that fails even harder]).

So ... we need to either find a colour that both works on Tapatalk and works for contrast on other devices OR use a non-colour based method.

In terms of colours, might need to move away from Greens - the background colour on desktop/mobile browsers is a light grey, which means green isn't going to work unless you use a darker shade. You might get away with using a mid-blue such as #0077BB or purple (#B400FF) (needs to be light enough to not be confused with the standard near-black text colour, but dark enough to have enough contrast).

(I'll stay away from considering other web accessibility considerations such as making it screen-reader friendly for those who are sight impaired... now there's a can of worms that I suspect vB 4 isn't going to like).

Or just replace green with bold?

 

[Audax]

Or just replace green with bold?

That is an option, except bold is being used for the Brighton row. Perhaps switch the Brighton row to a Blue colour, and use Bold for the top teams?

Can't use italic, as that gets lost in quotes (which italicise the whole quote). Could maybe use underline. If we go down that road, perhaps the red for the bottom teams could be replaced with ... nope, vB 4 doesn't support [strike]strikethrough[/strike]

 

[GT49er]

That is an option, except bold is being used for the Brighton row. Perhaps switch the Brighton row to a Blue colour, and use Bold for the top teams?

Can't use italic, as that gets lost in quotes (which italicise the whole quote). Could maybe use underline. If we go down that road, perhaps the red for the bottom teams could be replaced with ... nope, vB 4 doesn't support [strike]strikethrough[/strike]

I don't know why I joined this conversation - I'm quite happy with it the way it is! I'm out of here...............!

 

[Acker79]

Let's give this a go...

Pos	Team	Pl	gd	pts	Max
\/ 1 \/	\/ Man City \/	32	55	77	95
\/ 2 \/	\/ Liverpool \/	32	61	76	94
\/ 3 \/	\/ Chelsea \/	31	39	62	83
\/ 4 \/	\/ Tottenham \/	32	18	57	75
\/ 5 \/	\/ Arsenal \/	32	10	57	75
6	Man Utd	33	4	54	69
7	West Ham	33	9	52	67
8	Wolves	32	5	49	67
9	Leicester	31	-4	41	62
10	Brighton	33	-11	40	55
11	Newcastle	33	-18	40	55
12	Brentford	33	-8	39	54
13	Southampton	32	-14	39	57
14	Crystal Palace	32	2	37	55
15	Aston Villa	31	-4	36	57
16	Leeds	32	-30	33	51
17	Everton	31	-19	29	50
18	Burnley	31	-19	25	46
19	Watford	32	-32	22	40
/\ 20 /\	/\ Norwich /\	32	-44	21	39

 

[Acker79]

Pos	Team	Pl	gd	pts	Max
\/ 1 \/	\/ Man City \/	33	59	80	95
\/ 2 \/	\/ Liverpool \/	32	61	76	94
\/ 3 \/	\/ Chelsea \/	31	39	62	83
\/ 4 \/	\/ Arsenal \/	33	12	60	75
\/ 5 \/	\/ Tottenham \/	32	18	57	75
6	Man Utd	34	2	54	66
7	West Ham	33	9	52	67
8	Wolves	32	5	49	67
9	Newcastle	34	-15	43	55
10	Leicester	32	-4	42	60
11	Brighton	33	-11	40	55
12	Brentford	33	-8	39	54
13	Southampton	33	-16	39	54
14	Crystal Palace	32	2	37	55
15	Aston Villa	32	-4	37	55
16	Leeds	32	-30	33	51
17	Everton	31	-19	29	50
18	Burnley	32	-17	28	46
/\ 19 /\	/\ Watford /\	33	-36	22	37
/\ 20 /\	/\ Norwich /\	33	-47	21	36

 

[Acker79]

Pos	Team	Pl	gd	pts	Max
\/ 1 \/	\/ Liverpool \/	34	64	82	94
\/ 2 \/	\/ Man City \/	33	59	80	95
\/ 3 \/	\/ Chelsea \/	33	40	66	81
\/ 4 \/	\/ Arsenal \/	33	12	60	75
\/ 5 \/	\/ Tottenham \/	33	18	58	73
\/ 6 \/	\/ Man Utd \/	35	2	55	64
7	West Ham	34	8	52	64
8	Wolves	34	1	49	61
9	Brighton	35	-8	44	53
10	Newcastle	35	-16	43	52
11	Leicester	32	-4	42	60
12	Crystal Palace	34	3	41	53
13	Aston Villa	33	-2	40	55
14	Brentford	34	-8	40	52
15	Southampton	35	-17	40	49
16	Burnley	34	-15	34	46
17	Leeds	33	-30	34	49
18	Everton	32	-21	29	47
/\ 19 /\	/\ Watford /\	34	-37	22	34
/\ R /\	/\ Norwich /\	34	-49	21	33

 

[Stato]

It's academic I know, but I just took a look at https://thefishy.co.uk/calc.php to test, considering who has to play who, how close we are to mathematical safety. If I'm correct, with Brentford to play both Everton and Leeds, I don't think it's possbile for all three of them to overtake our 44 points. There is a scenario where they all at least equal it, so the potential for a swing in goal difference means that we are not mathematically there yet, but if all three were to win all of their other games, the finish would be one of these six options, none of which has them all over 44 points.

Everton 47, Leeds 46, Brentford 43
Everton 44, Leeds 46, Brentford 46
Everton 45, Leeds 46, Brentford 44
Everton 47, Leeds 43, Brentford 46
Everton 47, Leeds 44, Brentford 44
Everton 44, Leeds 43, Brentford 49

It means that strangely, if 14th placed Brentford lose against 15th placed Southampton on Saturday, we'll be kicking off our game mathematically safe.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

It's academic I know, but I just took a look at https://thefishy.co.uk/calc.php to test, considering who has to play who, how close we are to mathematical safety. If I'm correct, with Brentford to play both Everton and Leeds, I don't think it's possbile for all three of them to overtake our 44 points. There is a scenario where they all at least equal it, so the potential for a swing in goal difference means that we are not mathematically there yet, but if all three were to win all of their other games, the finish would be one of these six options, none of which has them all over 44 points.

Everton 47, Leeds 46, Brentford 43
Everton 44, Leeds 46, Brentford 46
Everton 45, Leeds 46, Brentford 44
Everton 47, Leeds 43, Brentford 46
Everton 47, Leeds 44, Brentford 44
Everton 44, Leeds 43, Brentford 49

It means that strangely, if 14th placed Brentford lose against 15th placed Southampton on Saturday, we'll be kicking off our game mathematically safe.

Oh no !

This just leads to the dreaded Orange being used.

 

[Mellotron]

Pos	Team	Pl	gd	pts	Max
\/ 1 \/	\/ Liverpool \/	34	64	82	94
\/ 2 \/	\/ Man City \/	33	59	80	95
\/ 3 \/	\/ Chelsea \/	33	40	66	81
\/ 4 \/	\/ Arsenal \/	33	12	60	75
\/ 5 \/	\/ Tottenham \/	33	18	58	73
\/ 6 \/	\/ Man Utd \/	35	2	55	64
7	West Ham	34	8	52	64
8	Wolves	34	1	49	61
9	Brighton	35	-8	44	53
10	Newcastle	35	-16	43	52
11	Leicester	32	-4	42	60
12	Crystal Palace	34	3	41	53
13	Aston Villa	33	-2	40	55
14	Brentford	34	-8	40	52
15	Southampton	35	-17	40	49
16	Burnley	34	-15	34	46
17	Leeds	33	-30	34	49
18	Everton	32	-21	29	47
/\ 19 /\	/\ Watford /\	34	-37	22	34
/\ R /\	/\ Norwich /\	34	-49	21	33

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Very little separates 9th-18th. Feels like roughly that has been the way in the Prem for a few years now.

The power of the big clubs and the money from getting into Europe, I guess.

 

[Acker79]

Oh no !

This just leads to the dreaded Orange being used.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Out of interest - how come we can't catch Man U but can catch West Ham but both are on the same points ?

Edit - I'm been an idiot !

 

[Driver8]

Out of interest - how come we can't catch Man U but can catch West Ham but both are on the same points ?

Man Utd have 58 points, West Ham 52.