Dunno, worked in Germany in 1933, can't knock the trains being on time can you?
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- Thread starter Bladders
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Dunno, worked in Germany in 1933, can't knock the trains being on time can you?
drew
Drew
Why are you posting this fake crap made up by some UKip opposing ****, who made this up on twitter, Who, btw got told to take it down by the police!..
Although the first one should be true if it's referring to fathers getting paid maternity leave, Plain ridiculous!.
Men don't get paid maternity leave!
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Didn't know Herr Tubthumper was that old
drew
Drew
Paul Nuttall was on the Daily Politics today and Jo Coburn made him look very stupid and evasive when trying to get him to comment on their tax sums.
yxee
Well-known member
David was a better option, but the unions are more important than the voters
Seagull on the wing
New member
Oh! Labour and the Tories didn't do that then...they had their noses in the trough before UKIP came into being!
.Crispy Ambulance
Well-known member
He'd have pissed next year's election. But, unless he's remotely interested in returning to pick up the pieces his bird-shit head brother's left behind, would be wise to stay away for a while yet.
Don Quixote
Well-known member
- Nov 4, 2008
- 8,355
I don't really care for their policy.
cunning fergus
Well-known member
- Jan 18, 2009
- 4,747
They are making Labour more right wing though right?
It's a political reality that Labour will have to deal with UKIP, and rather than boast of their record on matters like immigration, they have apologised and continue to do so, that is a fact.
And now, they are advocating controls, which are UKIP lite
http://labourlist.org/2014/08/ed-balls-suggests-eu-immigration-curb-to-deal-with-ukip-threat/
http://labourlist.org/2014/08/labou...-immigrants-until-they-have-worked-in-the-uk/
Given these shifts in Labour policy the facts are that Labour strategists are definitely not treating UKIP lightly, otherwise they would be countering UKIP's popularity by stating how successful they were when last in Government, with all the benefits that open borders have provided.
They would also be far more transparent with their policy to get Turkey in the EU............
http://ceftus.org/2012/07/04/message-from-ed-miliband/
Maybe another part of Ed's vision that he forgot to mention last week.
You may continue to play the man and not the ball, but on some matters UKIP have Labour and the Tories running scared.
sir albion
New member
You really are not goner get any positivity towards ukip from the brighton lefties are you?
UKIP's support will grow and grow and rightly so
UKIP's support will grow and grow and rightly so
Machiavelli
Well-known member
I'm not doubting that UKIP are not proving to be an effective political force, and Farage has wide appeal. I've also indicated on this thread that I wouldn't be surprised if they have between five and ten MPs this time next year. Labour and the Tories are both deeply concerned. Although if you heard Miliband's conference speech, he did take on UKIP, committed to staying in the EU, and sought to align the Tories with UKIP. This all suggests that Labour are not going to dwell on the ground that UKIP want them to be on.
UKIP are clearly a right-wing populist party, and the logic and drive of right-wing populism is to veer towards fascism. Where Farage has been very effective is in claiming that they represent democracy. They couldn't care less about democracy. We've just had a lesson in what democracy is, what it can achieve, and how vital it is from the Scots. This is so far away from what UKIP and Farage have in mind.
What they are are an anti-modern party. Change has been extremely fast-paced of late, and they and their supporters ultimately want to return to the comfort of the nation-state and British empire, unaware that this is no longer viable.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
I differ from you on this. There's nothing that is 'deep down', whether of the left or right. Saying that there is, is just the same as the right claiming it's human nature to be aggressive, greedy, and so on. Due to wider historical forces, people become attached to certain ideas. All there is is a struggle for a set of ideas to become dominant. And currently neoliberalism is in the ascendancy. But the logic is that this ascendancy is by no means guaranteed, so it could shift.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
Haha! More from the little red book of Comrade Mustafa. "Low intelligence" - I bet you love the feeling that somehow you're intellectually superior. "All men are born equal but I'm so much cleverer than you." It's one way of avoiding having to acknowledge that you simply don't understand why people vote the way they do.
Funny how you weren't saying that the plebs were all thickies before those working-class voters who voted BNP defected from Labour.
That first para of yours. It's a classic!
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Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
If you take human nature out of people's heads they'd reject right-wing politics? Err.....yeah, right. You honestly think this is the way to engage voters? Tell them that they only vote the way they do because they're racist, thick and selfish?
Through your eyes, fairly blinkered really.
I have had many conversations with very left leaning people, the debate normally starts off ok as long as they are repeating their views over and over again. Then you often find that if the left persuasion person gets challenged, they more often than not (as witnessed time and again on NSC) they resort to the cliches like racist , knuckle dragger,xenophobe, bigot etc etc. So who really is of "Low intelligence". Also how is right wing defined, are all those cliches aimed at right wing people, or far right people. I ask because i have answered many surveys and try as i might i have come out of just left of centre.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
- 4,747
I think you are confused.
UKIP only exists because of the development of the EU, which has happened without the peoples of Europe having a by your leave on the matter.
To accuse UKIP of "veering towards fascism" is absolutely absurd.
It is UKIP that want a referendum on the EU a policy that, by the way, Miliband continues to deny the electorate. This is all the while that very institution legislates about the minutiae of our lives from what light bulbs we can use to how powerful our vacuum cleaners should be; all without any democratic mandate from the UK electorate.
Did you have a vote on enlarging the EU towards Ukraine? Who is making these decisions, and what is their democratic mandate? It seems to me that in opposing the EU, UKIP are actually anti-fascist.
To think its only UKIP that raise this point, and see the EU this way is equally absurd.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/10/how-to-reduce-eu-democratic-deficit
Fascists my arse.
He's intellectually more intelligent....or thinks he is.