Alien Abduction meeeting in Brighton

beorhthelm · Apr 25, 2014

symyjym said:
Just as a matter of fact;

were you planning to state any facts on the matter? the clock is clearly not drawn to even segments, the whole theory is bollocks. the reasons for 60, 24, 12 are archaic retention of ancient customs by preists probably trying to make it esoteric to the serfs. there once was 10 months, until Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar went all power mad. 30 days is just a nearest approximation that follows. 365 is a given from observation.

jgmcdee · Apr 25, 2014

I think the trouble people are having is the difference between a single arbitrarily defined measurement and the relationship of that measurement to physical processes.

For example, we could ditch the hour and instead have the grolok. It so happens that there are 15 groloks in a day. However we cannot redefine the concept of a day being the time it takes for the Earth to fully rotate. We could rename the day, or create another new measurement of jarlies, with 20 groloks in a jarly, but none of these things alter the speed of rotation of the Earth (as far as I know).

'Day' and 'year' are labels we put on physical phenomena and make our lives simpler. 'Hour' and 'month' are completely arbitrary but of use to subdivide days and years. Very different things.

jameswestport · Apr 25, 2014

I have read none of this but my question is how is this 20 pages long?

The Truth · Apr 25, 2014

BadFish said:
Same shit, same response I suppose.

Ironically though I do quite enjoy your posts about football, very insightful.

Badfish, don't get me wrong. You really are like a brother to me (younger). Ironically a lot of your political based threads I find just as compelling and I can see where your talents lie.
The only tip I could possibly give you- 'Life's too short, to drink cheap wine'.
When are we meeting up my good old chum?

sten_super · Apr 25, 2014

Bold Seagull said:
12.36 lunar phases.

Or alternatively 365.24 appearances of the sun, or revolutions of the earth on its axis.

As [MENTION=4019]Triggaaar[/MENTION] pointed out, there are definite celestial forces which determine the length of some events, and we can use one set of events (e.g. one revolution of the earth on its axis) to define others (e.g. lunar phases). What is arbitrary (as far as I'm aware) is the number of hours in a day and smaller measurements than that. We've scaled these to fit into celestial events (e.g. 24 hours in one revolution of the earth on its axis).

symyjym · Apr 25, 2014

birthofanorange said:
So, it is a matter of convenience - ie. man made. Good .

Yep, it took thousands of years of trial and error to perfect what we have today. Just working out how many sunrises to a year took a lot of research and the science to it was building systems similar to the Stone Henge set up. Obviously they knew what they had to do before they put the stones in place.

That said in any other solar system an advanced civilisation would probably have their calendar and time based around the number 6 just because it is the best number to use.

Nibble · Apr 25, 2014

Bold Seagull said:
One full moon to the next.

Excellent. You should be starting to get my point by now? We took a concept and gave it a name so we could all understand it. Hence "time".

symyjym · Apr 25, 2014

beorhthelm said:
were you planning to state any facts on the matter? the clock is clearly not drawn to even segments, the whole theory is bollocks. the reasons for 60, 24, 12 are archaic retention of ancient customs by preists probably trying to make it esoteric to the serfs. there once was 10 months, until Julius Caesar and Augustus Caesar went all power mad. 30 days is just a nearest approximation that follows. 365 is a given from observation.

It's not a theory, I got it from watching a program on it :lolol:

I didn't make it up

Nibble · Apr 25, 2014

jgmcdee said:
I think the trouble people are having is the difference between a single arbitrarily defined measurement and the relationship of that measurement to physical processes.

For example, we could ditch the hour and instead have the grolok. It so happens that there are 15 groloks in a day. However we cannot redefine the concept of a day being the time it takes for the Earth to fully rotate. We could rename the day, or create another new measurement of jarlies, with 20 groloks in a jarly, but none of these things alter the speed of rotation of the Earth (as far as I know).

'Day' and 'year' are labels we put on physical phenomena and make our lives simpler. 'Hour' and 'month' are completely arbitrary but of use to subdivide days and years. Very different things.

Exactly.

BadFish · Apr 25, 2014

The Truth said:
Badfish, don't get me wrong. You really are like a brother to me (younger). Ironically a lot of your political based threads I find just as compelling and I can see where your talents lie.
The only tip I could possibly give you- 'Life's too short, to drink cheap wine'.
When are we meeting up my good old chum?

Whenever you are in Perth old mate, we can meet up for some cheap wine.

birthofanorange · Apr 25, 2014

jgmcdee said:
I think the trouble people are having is the difference between a single arbitrarily defined measurement and the relationship of that measurement to physical processes.

For example, we could ditch the hour and instead have the grolok. It so happens that there are 15 groloks in a day. However we cannot redefine the concept of a day being the time it takes for the Earth to fully rotate. We could rename the day, or create another new measurement of jarlies, with 20 groloks in a jarly, but none of these things alter the speed of rotation of the Earth (as far as I know).

'Day' and 'year' are labels we put on physical phenomena and make our lives simpler. 'Hour' and 'month' are completely arbitrary but of use to subdivide days and years. Very different things.

Thank you! (Except that there are actually 21 groloks in a jarly...but who's counting? )

The Truth · Apr 25, 2014

Nibble said:
Excellent. You should be starting to get my point by now? We took a concept and gave it a name so we could all understand it. Hence "time".

So if we take a concept like aliens and label it 'UFO' to help us understand. Why do you choose a close minded approach with a tendency to write things off when we're looking for understanding on a 'UFO thread?

Are you trying to get our point yet?

symyjym · Apr 25, 2014

birthofanorange said:
Thank you! (Except that there are actually 21 groloks in a jarly...but who's counting? )

Only in a Lap Gleer

Nibble · Apr 25, 2014

The Truth said:
So if we take a concept like aliens and label it 'UFO' to help us understand. Why do you choose a close minded approach with a tendency to write things off when we're looking for understanding on a 'UFO thread?

Are you trying to get our point yet?

What utter piffle.

I believe in UFO's, they exist. I don't believe UFO's are piloted by cosmic mind thieves from Blargon 5 intent on fingering my anus.

birthofanorange · Apr 25, 2014

symyjym said:
Only in a Lap Gleer

I thought that was obvious.

The Truth · Apr 25, 2014

Nibble said:
What utter piffle.

I don't believe UFO's are cosmic mind thieves from Blargon 5 intent on fingering my anus.

What!? I've never heard anything like that before? Are you suggesting the Aliens are homosexuals or are these extremely horny female aliens you're talking about?

Bold Seagull · Apr 25, 2014

Nibble said:
Excellent. You should be starting to get my point by now? We took a concept and gave it a name so we could all understand it. Hence "time".

You're point has been point forward so badly, it might well have Saussure turning in his grave.

Nibble · Apr 25, 2014

Bold Seagull said:
You're point has been point forward so badly, it might well have Saussure turning in his grave.

My point got somewhat muddied and less coherant as I tried to search for different ways to try and explain the same thing to you while you sat there no doubt with an expression on your face of a man trying to look up an ant's backside.

The Truth · Apr 25, 2014

Nibble said:
My point got somewhat muddied and less coherant as I tried to search for different ways to try and explain the same thing to you while you sat there no doubt with an expression on your face of a man trying to look up an ant's backside.

Why do you always finish everything on the anus topic?

Nibble · Apr 25, 2014

The Truth said:
What!? I've never heard anything like that before? Are you suggesting the Aliens are homosexuals or are these extremely horny female aliens you're talking about?

Ah, we're at that stage in the thread are we. Tatty bye.

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