As well you know, it was forced using political and financial pressure not military pressure. Either way the electorate didn't have a say.
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Could Nigel Farage end up a great British political leader?
- Thread starter Lenny Rider
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As well you know, it was forced using political and financial pressure not military pressure. Either way the electorate didn't have a say.
Theatre of Trees
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So it is a ridiculous comparison to make in the first place then.
Sorry, I didn't realise that forcing a change of government via financial means rather than voting methods was better than changing it via military means.
The Spanish
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thats not actually true, there may be a significant percentage that tick all those, but not all by any means.
who exactly are 'bob crow and his ilk' as a constituency - thats far too vague a definition to be useful in any sense.
Hotchilidog
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- Jan 24, 2009
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There is no way garage could be considered a great political leader as there as absolutely no substance to him whatsoever. There is one issue on which he strikes a chord with people because he conveniently scapegoats foreigners for all the ills of of our country and his message gets lapped up by those looking for an easy answer to everything.
I think it is true. I've not met a single person who would consider voting for UKIP who isn't either a complete xenophobe or sees fit to blame the EU for all this country's ills.
As for Bob Crow types, I refer to fiercely market-interventionalist socialists who consider that the EU only benefits the well-off and does nothing for the working man. And to re-iterate, many of these people are staunchly anti-EU yet would never vote for UKIP.
My biggest problem with him is the fact that even on Question Time, he blames absolutely everything on the EU. All that does is water down the impact on issues where he has a point.
Hotchilidog
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- Jan 24, 2009
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Exactly he's a one trick pony. Blaming the EU is a populist position that resonates with the general public so in essence he is very good at telling people what they want to hear, regardless of whether what he says is true or not. The wisecrack about 459million people being eligible to come to the UK being particularly disingenuous. After all 60million Brits are free to move to Belgium should they so desire, doesn't mean they will though. it is lazy scaremongering not backed up by any facts.
severnside gull
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I like Nigel Farage's overcoat although given the size of his salary I would think he could afford more than one coat.
I would vote for Farage's coat.
I would not vote for the person occupying it.
I would vote for Farage's coat.
I would not vote for the person occupying it.
The only correct reply so far. Clearly someone who knows a little about the farce that is the EU.
However, the question is could Nigel Farage end up as a great Brit leader? Well given all the media attention and all the attention on this site and many others I would think he is going in the right direction.
One thing is clear if UKIP are to move more quickly forward then they will need a similar financial backing that the "main" parties get.
The Spanish
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yeah no one remembers enoch powell nowadays do they.
This.
Not those under thirty
East Preston Gull
New member
This!! Political post of the week.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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they offer no chance of a referendum. they stand little chance of even a single seat but in some cases may cause Tory seats to be lost. so voting UKIP would delay any chance of referendum. which is a shames as we really need to address the matter.
Seems that those that will lose if we come out of Europe are doing the scaremongering. Many influential people in politics will lose out if they come out of the EU gravy train.
This fellow did this article in Nov 2013.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/44...sh-jobs-says-former-CBI-boss-Lord-Digby-Jones
- Jan 3, 2012
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I didn't say that's wrong, I just said he's wrong, just because he's well, sort of, wrong.
But joking aside, I think it would clearly be sensible to try and target skills that we need. I am just not going to get upset about the immigration question. I always thought it was ridiculous the claims that were being made about the entire population of Bulgaria and Romania coming here when the borders were opened. And lo and behold - it didn't happen.
I am a convinced European and have been for 40 years or more.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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EU is good for business, trade, freedom of movement, it certainly helps exporters like me.
Bad for the working man, as wages forced down. Bad for pressure on housing, hospitals, schools.
Labour admitted they hugely underestimated the numbers of Eastern Europeans that would come here, and with the rules as they are, the Tories can do nothing about European immigration. Do we really want a population of 80 million?
Bad for the working man, as wages forced down. Bad for pressure on housing, hospitals, schools.
Labour admitted they hugely underestimated the numbers of Eastern Europeans that would come here, and with the rules as they are, the Tories can do nothing about European immigration. Do we really want a population of 80 million?
RexCathedra
Aurea Mediocritas
If they're all paying into NI, and taxes, you do.
The aging population in all the mature western industrial nations requires either working-age people with constantly rising incomes, or a steady supply of immigrants, or both, to pay for the increased costs of future social provision.
The numerator is growing -- old people. The denominator -- the number of working-age people supporting each of those olds, or their income, or both -- has to grow to maintain a given level of social provision.