jonny.rainbow
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- Oct 29, 2005
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How can it be socially acceptable to champion the Tories when history shows them repeatedly on the wrong side of morality?
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How can it be socially acceptable to champion the Tories when history shows them repeatedly on the wrong side of morality?
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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I think you're confusing two issues here. For sure, the Tories have a very questionable past history on certain issues but they are clearly a pluralistic party now and any hard-right politician romanticising Mosley would get short-shrift from the rest of the voting public.
You won't find a single Tory that thinks that first poster is anything but disgraceful and the Tories have admitted it and apologised. The Poll Tax is merely an unpopular policy. Clause 28 was shameful - I left the Tory Party over that and thankfully Major repealed it as soon as he could. The difference is that they don't try to romanticise those events.They don't make poster boys of Mosley or Hitler either whereas Mao and Stalin get a free pass from the hard left. I passed the May Day celebrations in Trafalgar Square a year or two back and there were massive pictures of Mao and Stalin being carried around proudly as genuine heroes of history.
I'm not trying to have a willy-waving contest here, I genuinely don't get how someone like Diane Abbott who clearly is no-one's fool thinks that Mao 'on balance did more good than harm'? He killed tens of millions, his people lived in a period so bad it was called a reign of terror. Likewise Seumas Milne, Corbyn's PR guy, is an out and out Stalin apologist yet he knows full well what Stalin did. These were bad, bad men. But more than that, I don't get why left-wing despots are seen as not as bad as right-wing despots. To my mind, they are equally as bad.
jakarta
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Not nice perhaps, but not in the same league as systemically starving your people to death as a political policy in the 1930's. To quote from Timothy Snyders Book Bloodlands
The Soviet Census of 1937 found eight million fewer people than projected: most of these famine victims in Soviet Ukraine, Soviet Kazakhstan and Soviet Russia, and the children they then did not have.
Stalin suppressed its findings and had the responsible demographers executed.
Hampster Gull
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- Dec 22, 2010
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The tory party really have descended to historical lows in recent days. May knows that the tories are a nasty party, she said in 2012, and yet she has done more to bring shame to this country than most of her predecessors.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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just so we're clear, you're saying the Great Purge and the Cultural Revolution are morally equivalent to poll tax and section 28? or did you utterly miss the point being made?
jonny.rainbow
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- Oct 29, 2005
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Would that be the Great Purge and Cultural Revolution that had absolutely nothing to do with Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour Party of Britain or any of the current members of the shadow cabinet?
If not, perhaps people have missed the point that political parties should be judged on their current policies and not on lazy straw man arguments.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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nope, got nothing to do with Corbyn today and no one said that. maybe go back and see the comment you responded to and how you responded, before claiming there's lazy straw man arguments. (i'll assume that you utterly missed the point, watch the youtube clip)
Hastings gull
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- Nov 23, 2013
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Your hypocrisy and lack of thought is quite staggering. Earlier you posted about a poster which was from 1964, some 50 years ago, and conveniently used that to bash the present-day party, when you know full well, that the vast majority of present-day Tory voters would find that quite distasteful. You went on to stress that the Tories have always been on the wrong side of morality. Agreed? Then, when presented with evidence and thus reminded that left wingers in the past have been responsible for millions dying unnecessarily, you have the nerve to state that parties just should be judged on their current policies . . .And then to cap it all state that people have missed the point!