Blimey, Paddy Ashdown has aged a bit.
Bang on views regarding May's lack of credibility though.
Bang on views regarding May's lack of credibility though.
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ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
The DUP, in their own words.
SK1NT
Well-known member
Erm think you are missing the point love. We are outlining the irony of it... how Corbyn was vilified as a terrorist sympathiser and yet the tories are likely to cosy up to the DUP.
For the record i would not class Corbyn as a terrorist sympathiser.
No, what Corbyn did is also fact. He clung on to power, despite the vast majority of his elected party wanting him gone. He put his interests ahead of what the elected Labour MPs wanted.
Although this election is a major **** up by May, the fact is that the party she's lead has still won the most votes and seats. Labour have done better than expected, but lets not lose sight of the fact they still got a lot less votes than the Tories.
The election was also a disaster for the SNP, but they still have the most votes and seats in Scotland, so are we expecting Sturgeon to resign?
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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I can't see the Tories holding together under May for very long despite the self-preservation incentive. They made this a Brexit mandate election and didn't get one. Any rowing back will open up the huge fissures in the party and pee off all the Brexiteer voters who did vote for them.
The only solution I can see is a lame duck PM conducting damage limitation until new candidates are ready to challenge. New Leader in place distancing him/herself as far as possible from May's shambolic campaign calls an election. Spells out a clear decisive type of Brexit, reverses manifesto decisions adversely effecting pensioners throws money at the core support and the poor. All to be done before the end of September when Germany have their elections (when the real Brexit negotiating can begin). Simple .. what could possibly go wrong.
The only solution I can see is a lame duck PM conducting damage limitation until new candidates are ready to challenge. New Leader in place distancing him/herself as far as possible from May's shambolic campaign calls an election. Spells out a clear decisive type of Brexit, reverses manifesto decisions adversely effecting pensioners throws money at the core support and the poor. All to be done before the end of September when Germany have their elections (when the real Brexit negotiating can begin). Simple .. what could possibly go wrong.
Bizarre that some people can see more long term just how humungous a result this could be for Labour. Tories went to the polls and called an early election with the plan being to DECIMATE Labour. It backfired SPECTACULARLY. If Corbyn can perform like that with 99% of the press and a lot of his own party against him...
Bold Seagull
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Within our constitution, the Labour Party is entitled to offer themselves as a minority government, doesn't mean it can work, or should be accepted, but it did happen in '74 when Heath refused a deal with the DUP. So there is historic precedent. It has seemingly raised your ire that they've even suggested it, but the constitutional precedent is there.
You cannot dismiss what has happened in this election, or that Westminster can simply return to business as if nothing happened. Our democracy isn't simply first passed the post. As Ken Clarke said last night, perhaps the public need a new politics of cross party cooperation, that parliament needs to encourage the identification of more common ground, so that the country can still be run effectively without a majority. To do this you have to accept 2nd place has a say.
I for one cannot see anything other than a Tory government, but it is a government that has to concede its policies need to be re-evaluated, that a 40% vote share for Labour is a considerable backing to their manifesto, and that their own offer was not supported or embraced.
It's not though, is it?
Absolutely any party in this position would be doing exactly the same thing. At this stage, so soon after the event, you don't air your dirty linen in public. That time will come, it's just not now.
pb21
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She isn't best place to lead us naughtily through a field of wheat, let alone the Brexit process.
seagulls4ever
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The media have been against him and most of this party has been against him. When the election campaign started they were 20 points behind. All considered, Corbyn has done fantastically well to win so many Tory seats. We could be looking a another election when you'd fancy Labour to do much better given the circumstances.
I think you need a hug Bozza.
Whom do you think should lead us now?
Corbyn has never been PM. I was talking about the actions of the PM who is supposed to act in the best interests of the country.
Successive PMs have done the opposite and blatantly attempted political posturing in an attempt to save their own skin/improve their position and failed, miserably.
I'm no big fan of Corbyn, as I've mentioned many times, but he's got nothing to do with this point.
Yeah I do think Sturgeon should resign as her mandate for a (stupid, dangerous and unnecessary) second referendum has been smashed. I'm also very pleased that Salmond lost his seat as he's an odious, egotistical windbag.
Can't disagree with any of that, other than your assertion that I have ire. I don't. It's befuddlement due to the simple maths involved (I get it that numbers are confusing to some on the left) and your 1974 example illustrates why: Heath had 297 seats, and Corbyn has 261. That's a world of difference. I can't construct anything like a workable government from a starting point of those 261 seats.
(I think you mean the Liberal Party in 1974, not the DUP.)
studio150
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whoops........ should you have flicked back to the previous page.
Why? I'm delighted that May has got what she deserved, in a far bigger dose than anyone could really have hoped for.
It doesn't mean I can't point and laugh at some of the antics of the left though. Sorry for not conforming to the blinkered one party view of so many.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
Surely there is going to be at least 2 or 3 single market tory 'b-a-s-t-a-r-d-s' who'll make things very difficult for May now ?
Yep Soubry, Clarke , Morgan plus a few more.
The only difference between the leader of the opposition and the PM is who wins on the day. Corbyn stood to be PM and has been even more selfish in clinging to power than May may be.
I disagree, as your point was about how self-centred politicians (you said PM) could be. There was a time in the night when Corbyn was favourite to be our next PM. Dave and May are not the only self-centred politicians, and won't be the only self-centred PMs.