nicko31
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I know a couple of Tories that spout BNP views, though voting BNP is a different total
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I know a couple of Tories that spout BNP views, though voting BNP is a different total
CherryInHove
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- Apr 16, 2015
- 154
It was left f*cked due to the global financial crisis. Gordon Brown has been highly praised for how well he dealt with it and our economy would have been much worse if he hadn't done so well.
tinycowboy
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Additionally, I understand people's fears about the Shadow Chancellor, who is as far left a candidate for this position as I can remember. I genuinely have no idea as to how much influence an individual has to pursue their own agenda (e.g. Theresa May seems to portray herself as the only one making the decisions in her party, whilst Jeremy Corbyn seems to have to accept the views of his party and get on with it (e.g. Trident) - I'm sure people will disagree about which approach is "better"). However, it's interesting that 129 economists (yes, I know economists never agree and often get things wrong) feel strongly enough to support Labour's proposals - you would expect professors of eminent universities to know a little bit about their subject. I'm not saying this demonstrates any kind of proof, but I do think that any notion of "cloud cuckoo land" economics from Labour is pretty wide of the mark. Either that, or the Conservative alternative is even less compelling.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,332
the plaudits were for lead on international reaction (which was Darling anyway), not for how he left our national economics. he left us with an increasing deficit before the crisis, and programme for increasing the scope of the welfare state, £30bn a year real terms increase to that budget.
Tubby-McFat-Fuc
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That's another classic Labour line. IT WASN'T OUR FAULT!
When the Tories have to make unpopular cuts, its because they are making the rich richer blah blah blah (obviously ignoring the fact that the lowest tax thresholds have nearly doubled under a conversative government), yet when its on Labour's watch.... it wasn't our fault. Daring little snowflakes aren't they?
Gordon Brown was highly praised? Was he, by who, Tony "Working class" Blair or his mum?
Who was at fault of the crash in 2008 then? The Labour Party?
TSB
Captain Hindsight
Hahahahahahahahahaha. ****ing Hell. I assume you got that from George Bush in 2005? OR Trump last year?
If you don't vote for them then you are automatically a traitor.
Says a lot for our education system.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
You know it was a global financial crash though right? That the budget deficit in 2007 was lower than the Tories had it in all but 4 years out of 18 '79 to '97, and half what they had it '92 to '95. UK debt in 2007 was also lower than when the Tories left power a decade earlier.
And in answer to your question, Paul Krugman Nobel Prize winner for economics for one.
Wrong-Direction
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- Mar 10, 2013
- 13,435
Unpopular cuts? How about they bring back the £13trillon in offshore accounts
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pastafarian
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And we shouldnt forget BNP support can come from anywhere.
There are those on the left who share the horrible anti Semitic attitudes of The BNP.
And it wasn’t so long ago that 59% of BNP voters were ex Labour sympathisers, but this does seem to have been forgotten.
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/domestic_politics/who+voted+bnp+and+why/3200557.html
Two Professors
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Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Ignoring the fact perhaps that it was a Lib Dem coalition agreement policy to raise the tax thresholds, raising the income tax threshold was not in the Tory 2010 manifesto or a policy of theirs. The very first thing they did was raise VAT to 20% and cut the higher rate of income tax and cut corporation tax.
That isn't to say raising income tax thresholds isn't a good thing, which of course it is.
nicko31
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YouGov out suggesting Tories missing majority by 21
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ougov-survey-labour-theresa-may-a7773106.html
Rainbow coalition with Bungle steering the ship
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ougov-survey-labour-theresa-may-a7773106.html
Rainbow coalition with Bungle steering the ship
In a big way they were. Brown's watchword was 'Prudence' yet he let bank lending get completely out of control - he even gave Fred Goodwin a knighthood. He was lazy and scared of doing anything that would affect his poll ratings - and stopping all those cheap loans was a certain way of doing that. OK, the financial crisis was worldwide, but we could have done more about it.
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
I think everyone realises that anything other that increasing her number of seats, she has failed. She called the election she was never going to call to increase her mandate, so anything less than the status quo is a defeat against the reason for calling the election.
She would be weakened by this, her policies shown to be less popular than her predecessor, and a greater desire of the country to see more centre / centre-left policies from their government. The fall out from this election should be a realisation to both parties that the British public would like a Labour party less left and a Tory party less right.
GT49er
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By a lot of people as I remember. In fact, pretty nearly everyone except a few divs who seemed to have trouble with words like 'international' and 'banking', let alone more difficult phrases like 'sub-prime'.
I'm sure some of them, if you'd told them that Freddy Mac and Fanny May were dangerous Labour party activists from Barnsley, they'd have taken that as proof positive the whole crisis was engineered by Labour!
seagulls4ever
New member
- Oct 2, 2003
- 4,338
Highly praised around the world for is reaction to the crisis, implementing a model which many counties who were similarly affected copied (because it was worldwide) .
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8673608.stm
No overall majority the best part of 5/1 with Betfair. Lump on.
I don't think that's totally true, in polling, labour policies have picked up a huge majority as being favourable. I think this manifesto with a different front bench would do it. I winder if labour doing "well" in the context of where they were/where they are now will see more backbenchers on board and a reshuffle in the near future. Deffo think you're right abouty May though, either way, the fallout of this election for both parties will be intertesting to watch.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 30,632
The other factor is that by calling the election she's ruled out 2 months of the 24 available to negotiate a deal with the EU. Getting that deal in 2 years was always going to be tight at best; losing 2 months makes it virtually impossible, and it's also given the EU something of a head start over us. So even if she wins this election it could come back to haunt her personally in 2019. I could see the Tory movers and shakers let her take all of the sh1t over not getting a deal, then replace her mid-term once the die has been cast with us having to switch to WTO rules.