Protests in London

cunning fergus · May 10, 2015

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El Presidente said:
Where do you stand on the shut down of Remploy factories by IDS?

Keep to the subject of your wet bed and child abuse..........

El Presidente · May 10, 2015

cunning fergus said:
Of course not, it's all bad, but everything is relative, my God relativism lives on this forum. You can moan about the misery of tory policies, however (so far) they pale into insignificance with some of Labour's policy decisions.

For example, tuition fees were introduced by Labour universally in 2004, now they moan about how much they are.

If you took the point on a narrow basis maybe they are too high, but then they were the party that introduced them.

Context is everything.

And believe me, I am not defending the Tories.

For example, quotes from others were introduced on the Rotherham Abuse thread by [MENTION=12825]cunning fergus[/MENTION], now he resorts to insinuations of paedophilia by those who also make them.

If you took the point on a narrow basis maybe one form of art is less appropriate than others, but he was the person who introduced them to the thread.

Context is everything.

And believe me, I'm not defending most of the shite I post on NSC.

cunning fergus · May 10, 2015

El Presidente said:
My contribution was to reply to your Orwell comment.

I also pointed out that South Yorkshire police turned a blind eye to the events taking place, if you think it's all to do with Labour and is party politically motivated, that's your right.

But as far as I'm aware local councils aren't able to prevent police investigations or prosecutions.

Abuse has been going on for decades, the truth suppressed by the Catholic Church, Freemasons, the Scout movement and politicians of all persuasions, why turn it into a party political scoring match?

Come on then enlighten me, in what way is Orwells quote about telling the truth in times of universal deceit connected to T'Pau and China In Your Hand.

I see, it is a political point because in Rotherham the conclusion by the independent review was that the authorities commitment to political correctness was more important than protecting vulnerable children.

That is why it matters, I don't think that dynamic exists with Jimmy Saville et Al. In those the authorities were just incompetent, albeit the same outcome for all such cases.

No one gets sacked, no one goes to prison.

With no deterrent like that nothing will happen.

cunning fergus · May 10, 2015

El Presidente said:
For example, quotes from others were introduced on the Rotherham Abuse thread by [MENTION=12825]cunning fergus[/MENTION], now he resorts to insinuations of paedophilia by those who also make them.

If you took the point on a narrow basis maybe one form of art is less appropriate than others, but he was the person who introduced them to the thread.

Context is everything.

And believe me, I'm not defending most of the shite I post on NSC.

So, I quote Orwell, in reference to times of universal deceit, you quote Carol Decker.

In what way is that relevant to mass rape of children, as a consequence of dereliction of duty by the authorities?

midnight_rendezvous · May 10, 2015

cunning fergus said:
No, I am sure they don't, but I will repeat context is everything.

If you disagree with that view, fine, but taking your attitude through to its logical conclusion you will spend your life in a state of perpetual outrage...........maybe that is what you do?

Yes but the context you presented had nothing to do with my original post. The context in regards to my outrage should be based on Labours policies on welfare if you're so obsessed with comparing them. I just disagree that outrage at death that could easily be prevented should only be measured on what has happened in two completely unrelated events. You seem to be approaching this from a purely mathematical (Labour let more people down so this makes whatever the Tories do irrelevant) rather than an ethical one. More deaths can be prevented by more people being outraged instead of keeping score of which political party had failed the people the most.

El Presidente · May 10, 2015

cunning fergus said:
So, I quote Orwell, in reference to times of universal deceit, you quote Carol Decker.

In what way is that relevant to mass rape of children, as a consequence of dereliction of duty by the authorities?

It has nothing to do with it. It was a response to the 'look at me, I quote Orwell' superiority displayed by yourself.

cunning fergus · May 10, 2015

El Presidente said:
It has nothing to do with it. It was a response to the 'look at me, I quote Orwell' superiority displayed by yourself.

I see, as I thought at the time, it was a personal attack at my contribution due to your own prejudice.

Good for you...........well done.

To think, I should quote Orwell...........surprised I didn't get banned.

The irony is delicious though...........I'm sure Eric would not be surprised.

cunning fergus · May 10, 2015

El Presidente said:
It has nothing to do with it. It was a response to the 'look at me, I quote Orwell' superiority displayed by yourself.

I note a post was deleted at 21.16 EP, you're not being a tinker are you?

cunning fergus · May 10, 2015

midnight_rendezvous said:
Yes but the context you presented had nothing to do with my original post. The context in regards to my outrage should be based on Labours policies on welfare if you're so obsessed with comparing them. I just disagree that outrage at death that could easily be prevented should only be measured on what has happened in two completely unrelated events. You seem to be approaching this from a purely mathematical (Labour let more people down so this makes whatever the Tories do irrelevant) rather than an ethical one. More deaths can be prevented by more people being outraged instead of keeping score of which political party had failed the people the most.

Nope, I understand the rules now, I get it.

Tories bad, nothing else is relevant..........read, digest, accept, and don't whatever you do...........think.

I'm sure I can do that.

theyellowdinosaur · May 10, 2015

cunning fergus said:
Sure, it's not the one single reason why there is unprecedented pressure on housing stock, and ergo why your generation will struggle to get on the property ladder but it is evidently a factor too.

Similarly, an open border with the EU means an open labour market, no one controls who comes, they can come one come all. The old Labour Party (1960s to early 90s) used to be against the EU because of this kind of free market practice as they said it would ultimately disadvantage British workers.

New Labour turned this on its head, embraced the EU and told the country only 15,000 poles would arrive.

Hope you do well at school or have a good trade you will need it.

Agreed and thanks, I am trying to find an apprenticeship in media after I complete college next year unfortunately it's a tough industry too get into so I have a back-up plan

midnight_rendezvous · May 10, 2015

cunning fergus said:
Nope, I understand the rules now, I get it.

Tories bad, nothing else is relevant..........read, digest, accept, and don't whatever you do...........think.

I'm sure I can do that.

As I said way back in my first response to you I would be outraged regardless of the colour of the tie. You know because of the whole people dying thing? But by all means continue with the childish mentality of "x did that so it doesn't matter that y has done this" and ignore the problem. Is Iraq excusable? No. Were the events in Rotherham appalling? Yes. Do the failings of Labour excuse the failings of the Tories? No. It's a pretty simple thought process. Care more about the people and less about which party you can attach blame to.

BadFish · May 10, 2015

peterward said:
and who are these mates? are they the same mates that paid 5p in the pound less for ten years under Blair?

You're brainwashed

Yes the very same. We need a government that represent us rather than their mates. That government isn't the Torys it wasn't Blairs New Labour and it probably wasn't Ed's Labour either. Like I said the lesser of two evils.

Brainwashed would be drawing your X and thinking that they represent your interests or give a shit about you. Enjoy your victory.

BadFish · May 10, 2015

wellquickwoody said:
Ahh, leftie NDB.

..... and this is your best response to it?

BadFish · May 10, 2015

PILTDOWN MAN said:
As has been mentioned by others you sound like a socialist who embraces a bit of capitalism, as you get older and wiser you views will change and moderate.

If he can see certain benefits from both systems and doesn't see them as polar opposites I hope he doesn't change. As he gets older people will try to pigeon hole him to the left or right. Personally I hope he sticks to his guns and doesn't get sucked into the 'Left/Right Capitalism bad/Socialism bad' paradigm we all inhabit. His thinking is far more likely to create a system that works than ours

clapham_gull · May 10, 2015

pastafarian said:
And yes it took nearly 60 years to recognise their role via a monument,it took even longer to recognise the brave sterling work of all those in Bomber Command that lost their lives via a memorial.......your point is?

Appears to be the same as yours.

wellquickwoody · May 10, 2015

BadFish said:
..... and this is your best response to it?

Yeah.......all it deserves.

El Presidente · May 10, 2015

cunning fergus said:
I note a post was deleted at 21.16 EP, you're not being a tinker are you?

I'm out of here, and you know why.

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