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The Camel

Well-known member
Nov 1, 2010
1,520
Darlington, UK
Beach Hut said:
I can't beleve how easy Jeremy is making it for the Conservatives, lurching to Socialism will not resolve the problem
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I do think staying on the extreme left it will save Labour alot of seats in the NE and NW.

The hard left were pro Brexit (Galloway, Skinner, SWP, Morning Star) and under Corbyn they could appeal to the very poor with a pro Brixit manifesto.

However, they'd be wiped out in London and metropolitan cities.
 




beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,356
cunning fergus said:
I understand that, but then how do you reconcile the interests of the working class in Hartlepool with the interests of a metropolitan London constituency.
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well no you cant. i was picking up on the point on what to expect from a leader, should they really be the everything of a party? if as a party its difficult to represent north, south, rural, urban, it is shirley impossible to expect a leader to do so, in one person? they have to defer to their MPs to some degree, seek their input and compromise personal views to adjust to a common purpose. as ive said earlier, each MP has stood on a manifesto individually, albeit one written centrally. thats their responsibility to accountable to, not a leader who has changed since they were elected.

anyway, i sort of get it with Labour and Corbyn, its a fight over what Labour is or does. if he resigns, the socialist left has lost. however if he stays on, they win but at the price of probably being unelectable for the foreseeable future. its sort of honorable that he and core of members want to make that sacrifice for the sake of principles, seems a rather hollow victory.
 




drew

drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
23,085
Burgess Hill
cunning fergus said:
I understand that, but then how do you reconcile the interests of the working class in Hartlepool with the interests of a metropolitan London constituency.

You simply cannot, this is how it has always been since the removal of clause 4.

Corbyn talked about its reinstitution but he cannot because of the EU competition law.

Those who want to re-nationalise the Royal Mail or Railways cannot be reconciled with free market capitalists. There are both elements in the Labour Party today, and it would be like trying to find a compromise on an issue like abortion.

I may have a view rooted in the past but that does not mean I am wrong. I will say it again, you cannot protect the interests of the working class with a free and unregulated labour market.

I know my view is rooted in the origins of the labour movement.........it's that simple.
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What exactly is it then that you want Labour to do? Do you want them to be the voice in perpetual opposition or should there be some compromise in order to have a chance of election and therefore the chance to effect change in the direction towards their values. The working class electorate today are surely not the same as the working class electorate of, say, 50 years ago. Do you believe there is enough 'working class' in the electorate to produce a majority labour government. They didn't rally around Michael Foot nor Kinnock despite all the damage done by Thatcher. Surely you can see something had to give.
 


Behind Enemy Lines

Behind Enemy Lines

Well-known member
Jul 18, 2003
4,818
London
cunning fergus said:
You are not listening are you?

The traditional working class has rejected Labour and its message like never before, Corbyn could not have turned this around by campaigning harder because his message was not what they wanted to hear.

Practically the entire political class was for in, not least Labour, and yet in working class constituency after working class constituency the message for remain was rejected.

I don't know how old you are but I remember when Labour was anti EEC and the Tories were for it, so in my paradigm Labour has deserted its core ideological beliefs to embrace global capitalism. I am not alone, voters of a certain age and political persuasion understand this betrayal.

Labour should not be pro EU until the EU changes from its commitment to corporates and bankers. It's not socially progressive and never has been, it's why remain was bankrolled by the likes of JPMorgan and Goldman Sachs.........and supported by the Tories.
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The EU's not perfect, of course, but it has it introduced important safeguards for workers. It was the EU that introduced the social chapter but sadly was rejected by the UK. But it shows its not all bad. I agree with what you say about the need to check the corporations but without a labour government no have absolutely no chance of doing that. I think the EU, above all, is about preserving peace on the continent and we have benefitted greatly from closer cultural ties and co-operation with our European neighbours. Hey ho.

You ignore the awkward point of mass working class support for tough anti-immigration policies which as I said your man Jezzer couldn't be more out of step with. As I said, immigration is the number one issue in those communities.

He was elected last year by a majority of party members but has shown he's totally out of his depth as a leader. 9 million people voted Labour at the last election, dwarfing the 3 quid brigade who supported your man so democratic arguments work both ways. Labour MP's have a responsibility to the wider electorate too, their constituents, many of whom will suffer if there's a right-wing Tory Government later in the year which will have to implement tax rises and further public sector cuts which we all know now is coming in the post Brexit world.

We need a Labour government. Corbyn cannot win a general election You must know that?
 








Buzzer

Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
For months, senior figures and commentators have repeatedly asked Corbyn to stop with the moral equivalence when asked to condemn anti-semitism. Does he listen? Does he f*ck.

His latest comment on the Chakrabarti report: "Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel than our Muslim friends are for the self-styled Islamic State". The subtext being, of course, that he sees no difference between the State of Israel and ISIS. That'll assuage the fears of British Jews.
 




Surf's Up

Surf's Up

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2011
10,201
Here
Ernest said:
Hopefully once Eagles puts up her pathetic challenge she will be cast over board, does anyone seriously think that the Labour Party members will vote for someone who voted for an illegal war ?
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I love your use of irony and humour to make a point!!
 




Buzzer

Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
A Momentum activist left Ruth Smeeth, a Labour MP, in tears with anti-semitic abuse at that Chakrabarti report into anti-semitism. This comes days after a Momentum email referred to another Labour MP as being part of a Zionist plot.

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Neville's Breakfast

Well-known member
May 1, 2016
13,423
Oxton, Birkenhead
Buzzer said:
A Momentum activist left Ruth Smeeth, a Labour MP, in tears with anti-semitic abuse at that Chakrabarti report into anti-semitism. This comes days after a Momentum email referred to another Labour MP as being part of a Zionist plot.

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yep, absolute disgrace. I just watched the video of events at the meeting, with Ruth Smeeth walking out in tears. To all those people who see nothing wrong with accusing Jewish people of being part of a media conspiracy, you need to take a look at the history of anti Semitism and where it leads. Rarely have I watched a more sinister political meeting outside of UKIP and the National Front.
 






Blue Valkyrie

Blue Valkyrie

Not seen such Bravery!
Sep 1, 2012
32,165
Valhalla
Does anyone want a Prime Minister who would dig their heels in and refuse to resign ?

Not fit to lead the country if ever elected.

Has to go.
 




pb21

pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,350
happypig said:
Oh dear....

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So more dishonest backstabbing.

I'm not sure Corbyn is the man to lead a centre left progressive government, but at the same time I'm not sure a person crying on the radio saying it's really hard etc. several days after setting up a website to run as leader is the right person either.

The left side of the country really needs to get its act together.
 






Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
50,786
Faversham
carlzeiss said:
Jeremy Corbyn has my support , best leader the Labour party has had in my adult lifetime . :thumbsup:
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Are you on drugs? Can I have some? :shrug:
 


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