[Film] Post Film Discussion Star Wars TLJ WARNING don’t view will contain spoilers

Jam The Man · Dec 17, 2017

Really enjoyed it on Friday and going again on Tuesday with my children.
I really don’t know what people expect!?

And whilst my OCD is screaming at me to respond to the most basic of SW knowledge errors on some of the posts on this thread, I really can’t be bothered!

May the Force be with you x

jabba · Dec 17, 2017

StonehamPark said:
Very average.
Disappointed with Luke's ending. I wanted him to go out swinging and remembered as a martyr.

In a way though he was a martyr, buying the few left time to escape, and did "go out swinging" by besting Ren. Should allow him to go to wherever Joda is and reappear in the next episode.

looney · Dec 17, 2017

Chicken Run said:
With all the hype and pre film gossip I waited with baited breath for a shock an awe moment and the best I got was Luke being able limbo stationary under Rens Sabre. And then it not being him anyway!

Why wasn’t Luke exploited as an extremely powerful Jedi Master that he he least must have been rather than a crusty old miserable fart. They killed him off and he wasn’t even fighting really!

As for the Leah Superman thing, I was squinting-at that moment !

On reflection I’m a tad annoyed at this offering, at least when I walked out of TFA it was all I talked about for days, saw it again and have watched the DVD twice, this one just didn’t go it for me!

Like Rouge One which I really enjoyed btw my hope is they do justice to the Han Sol story!

I agree with you here, enjoyed Rogue one, the Leia Mary Poppins moment was another cringe as well as BB8 Piloting a walker.

My favs

Return of the jedi
New Hope
Revenge of the Sith
Rogue One
Empire strikes back
TFA
Attack of the Clones
Phantom M
The Last Jedi
Holiday Special

StonehamPark · Dec 17, 2017

Other gripes.

Rey's lineage. Just junkers, no backstory.
Snoke dies. So there's no super-villain. Just a torn jedi (similar to Anakin in Ep 2/3)
No development with Rey. She did a quick lesson and that be that.

Biggest gripe is Luke over the past 25 years.
Just been banging his alien housekeepers on some rocky island whilst milking space-cows in his spare time.

This should have been Luke and Rey's big film.

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Anyways, it was another Star Wars film, it wasn't terrible by any means. Just very bizarre plot decisions including the most unsatisfactory ending of Luke Skywalker.

BadFish · Dec 17, 2017

StonehamPark said:
Other gripes.

Rey's lineage. Just junkers, no backstory.
Snoke dies. So there's no super-villain. Just a torn jedi (similar to Anakin in Ep 2/3)
No development with Rey. She did a quick lesson and that be that.

Biggest gripe is Luke over the past 25 years.
Just been banging his alien housekeepers on some rocky island whilst milking space-cows in his spare time.

This should have been Luke and Rey's big film.

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Anyways, it was another Star Wars film, it wasn't terrible by any means. Just very bizarre plot decisions including the most unsatisfactory ending of Luke Skywalker.

I think that Rey's linage will still be revealed, I think Kylo Ren put the idea in her head that they were nobodies to to try and upset her. She was willing to accept it because she is all torn up about it. Watch this space IMHO (apart from anything else this is to good a storyline to waste).

Agree with you about Snoke, i was enjoying his character.

Luke's storyline doesn't bother me, it had to be a bit Meh to make sure the films are focussed elsewhere.

carteater · Dec 18, 2017

I thought it was good but I have a few issues with it:

1) That Leia flying scene, what the **** was that? I started laughing quite loudly at that, awful cgi too.
2) I also did that at the scene where Luke milks that creature thing, did that need to be in there?
3) Who is and what was the point in Snoke? He gets zero character development in both films, he's just established as the emperor replacement and the guy who seduced Kylo Ren, then he gets killed off, such a pointless character, they may as well have just used the Emperor's ghost or something like that instead. It makes the character completely forgettable and redundant.
4) The whole half hour surrounding Finn and Rose going to that casino planet to find that code breaker guy who ****s them over in the end is completely pointless, it doesn't add anything to the story, apart from character development for a character that dies at the end anyway.

Chicken Run · Dec 18, 2017

StonehamPark said:
Other gripes.

Rey's lineage. Just junkers, no backstory.
Snoke dies. So there's no super-villain. Just a torn jedi (similar to Anakin in Ep 2/3)
No development with Rey. She did a quick lesson and that be that.

Biggest gripe is Luke over the past 25 years.
Just been banging his alien housekeepers on some rocky island whilst milking space-cows in his spare time.

This should have been Luke and Rey's big film.

---

Anyways, it was another Star Wars film, it wasn't terrible by any means. Just very bizarre plot decisions including the most unsatisfactory ending of Luke Skywalker.

Well I’ve woken this morning and I’m still moaning about it , I’m on the exactly the same page as you, another gripe, wtf did Ray falling into that black hole bring to the film!!

At least at the end of TFA people clapped, yesterday the audience quietly stood and departed!!

Empire
New Hope
Rouge One
ROTJ
Revenge of The Sith
TLJ
The other two

Dirk Lehmann's Python · Dec 18, 2017

Really not sure what people expect? Great entertainment with a couple of cheesy bits (you could say that about all the films)

Think people are disappointed because there is no big reveal as has been speculated for the last 2 years

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Gabbafella · Dec 18, 2017

I wasn't blown away at all but it was in no way a bad film. I think people are always overly critical of star wars films so either way they can't win.

I only have one real gripe and that's the Leia space scene. When she got blown into space I genuinely had a lump in my throat, I thought it was a beautiful way to say goodbye to her, but then they ruined it with that stupid superman crap. Really disappointed that they didn't give her a proper farewell.

The day I went to see it there were guys in costume there (Vader, stormtrooper, clone trooper, shadow trooper, kylo ren) interacting with the kids, having photos taken etc, the kids really enjoyed their day out and you could tell they enjoyed the film and that's the target audience who should be happy with the film so I think they got it right.

To the list:
Empire strikes back
Return of the Jedi
Rogue one
A new hope
The force awakens
The last Jedi
Attack of the clones
Revenge of the sith
The phantom menace.

Uncle Spielberg · Dec 18, 2017

With an estimated $220 million, Star Wars: The Last Jedi delivered the second largest opening weekend ever behind only Star Wars: The Force Awakens, which debuted with $247.9 million back in 2015. Last Jedi got off to a strong start on Thursday night with the second largest preview gross ever of $45 million and became only the second film to ever gross over $100 million on opening day resulting in the second largest opening day ever, second largest single day, second largest Friday and joins Force Awakens as the fastest films to reach $100 million.

Seaber · Dec 18, 2017

Rey's parents are not junkers, rewatch the scene in TFA when she is left behind. Her parents fly off in a spaceship.

Spoke dying was unexpected, but I'm sure will have more explanation in the next film.

Luke will be a force ghost in the next film.

Papa Lazarou · Dec 18, 2017

Seaber said:
Rey's parents are not junkers, rewatch the scene in TFA when she is left behind. Her parents fly off in a spaceship.

Spoke dying was unexpected, but I'm sure will have more explanation in the next film.

Luke will be a force ghost in the next film.

That's my take on it. Snoke may be powerful enough to exist post his apparent death - Luke certainly will.

And as for Rey's parents, I firmly believe that there is more to it.

As for my feelings on the movie, I'm still thinking about it. I enjoyed it whilst I was watching it, and there are many things I loved about it. What complicates it for me is there are other parts I'm not sure about; not sure how I feel, so I need to think.

One thing's for sure, the way this story subverts many of the Star Wars tropes was always going to anger a section of fandom, who want a 'Star Wars' story, but are also the 1st to moan when it's too 'derivative'.

The Kid Frankie · Dec 18, 2017

I left the cinema feeling conflicted about whether I loved it or not. I think the key thing to remember is the original trilogy was not perfect by any means, but it was some of the imperfections that made it so magical. I have settled on that I really liked it. The young lad sat beside me was absolutely captivated from start to finish which is what really matters.

There was plenty I did not like. Small niggly plot holes, killing off characters before they could properly flush out their story arcs, and cheesy scenes, but it ultimately ticked all the boxes it needed to. My one big disappointment was the lack of a proper lightsaber duel - but this was somewhat placated by the quality Rey and Kylo vs Snoke's personal guard battle. It didn't have as many little nostalgia nods as The Force Awakens, but I suppose it is now about the future not the past. It was always going to be hard to find a deserving end for Luke Skywalker, but I feel they have probably done it justice - and I fully expect to see him as a Force Ghost in episode 9.

I hope that for the next one they do as they did in Return of the Jedi and jump forward a few years. Get a few years of tutelage for Rey from Force Ghost Luke (and anyone else they can cram in - Yoda, Obi Wan, Qui Gon?) while Kylo properly sticks his member into the Dark Side and set it up for a big old ding dong in the last (won't be the last) flick.

narly101 · Dec 18, 2017

Jam The Man said:
Really enjoyed it on Friday and going again on Tuesday with my children.
I really don’t know what people expect!?

And whilst my OCD is screaming at me to respond to the most basic of SW knowledge errors on some of the posts on this thread, I really can’t be bothered!

May the Force be with you x

I too am amazed by the lack of understanding on here to the basics of SW. The mention of Luke becoming a "martyr", deary me, you really don't understand the Jedi mythology. As for the training of Rey, she walked away from Luke - her training was incomplete (if you'd bothered to notice the nuance of her face when she moved the rocks at the end, that pretty much summed up knowledge of the force).

Leia has always been as powerful in the force as her brother, but never felt the need to use it - the "Superman bit" was exquisite, and had my jaw dropping.

The character development of Rose was excellent and the visit to Canto Bight is where it starts to make a even more sense after her sisters incredible sacrifice destroying the dreadnought. It also serves as a wake up call to how incredibly difficult the whole Resistance/Rebellion fight actually is.

I loved every single moment of TLJ The highlight for me was the struggle between Snoke, Rey and Kylo Ren, where I really didn't know what was going to happen. Sublime, and sets it up perfectly for Episode 9. Cannot. Wait.

narly101 · Dec 18, 2017

Seaber said:
Rey's parents are not junkers, rewatch the scene in TFA when she is left behind. Her parents fly off in a spaceship.

Spoke dying was unexpected, but I'm sure will have more explanation in the next film.

Luke will be a force ghost in the next film.

Yep. If you believed Kylo Ren on Reys parents, then you really need to take a long hard look at yourself. Move into the light.

Giraffe · Dec 18, 2017

I've thought about this a bit since watching it yesterday and I'm still on the fence. Bits of it are great but bits are just too crass.

I'm seeing it again on Wednesday with my daughter and have a feeling that I will still be as undecided after the second showing.

Rogue One was better and more true to Star Wars I feel. I wanted a death scene for the Princess. The only bit that truly gave me the star wars feeling was the start (I still love the feeling of sitting down to watch a new star wars film in a cinema all these years later) and the end when the broom moved towards that kid. That was fantastic and hopefully will bring so much to the next film.

PILTDOWN MAN · Dec 18, 2017

Giraffe said:
I've thought about this a bit since watching it yesterday and I'm still on the fence. Bits of it are great but bits are just too crass.

I'm seeing it again on Wednesday with my daughter and have a feeling that I will still be as undecided after the second showing.

Rogue One was better and more true to Star Wars I feel. I wanted a death scene for the Princess. The only bit that truly gave me the star wars feeling was the start (I still love the feeling of sitting down to watch a new star wars film in a cinema all these years later) and the end when the broom moved towards that kid. That was fantastic and hopefully will bring so much to the next film.

Yes the bit at the end was a little teaser for the next one.

beorhthelm · Dec 18, 2017

Seaber said:
Rey's parents are not junkers, rewatch the scene in TFA when she is left behind. Her parents fly off in a spaceship.

the inference was that this is false memory, her fantasy that she left behind for a purpose, which she seem to accept as reality when confronted with it. the twist is way of not having to have her a sibling of Ren, or daughter of Skywalker (or Obi-wan, one of the more harebrained theories). however... i have been thinking about this point, Poe was sent after her, she was hidden. so i dont know what to believe.

MattBackHome · Dec 18, 2017

I loved it.

The Dreadnought scene was genuinely jaw dropping.

Papa Lazarou · Dec 18, 2017

beorhthelm said:
the inference was that this is false memory, her fantasy that she left behind for a purpose, which she seem to accept as reality when confronted with it. the twist is way of not having to have her a sibling of Ren, or daughter of Skywalker (or Obi-wan, one of the more harebrained theories). however... i have been thinking about this point, Poe was sent after her, she was hidden. so i dont know what to believe.

My inner fan-boy really wants her heritage to be something more than just junkers, just because.... but if it is that her parents are nobodies, and not obviously force sensitive, it does support the message from the end of the movie that the Resistance and the 'Jedi' aren't reliant upon the known groups and blood-lines, everyone is potentially in the Resistance and everyone is potentially the most powerful force sensitive person in the Universe (not that Rey is, yet). Which is a much more nuanced and deeper idea than the one you'd expect from a Star Wars movie.

I think this depth is where my reticence to rate the film yet comes from. A lot of Star Wars ideas get subverted and no longer is it good v evil, dark v light, there are subtle overlaps and grey areas, which make it a much more mature movie (much as Rogue One was) and perhaps once the vocal minority who dislike the film have had a chance to reflect, then just maybe, this will turn out to be the best Star Wars movie of them all, as it has more to think about, over and above the spectacle.

That said, the Mary Poppins / Superman Leia bit was jarring.

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