General Election 2017

Bozza · Jun 9, 2017

Medwayseagull said:
I believe that statement is more appropriate for the Lib Dems who, I believe, you said you were voting for.

I did and very happy to have done so.

I note they now have 12 seats, an increase by 50% on 2015. Presumably this entitles them to have a crack at forming a government, right?

pastafarian · Jun 9, 2017

SK1NT said:
If i have to explain this then you probably souldn't be commenting to my post

Must admit i would rather hear you explain how The DUP are the same as The IRA and why if you think they are you havnt previously mentioned your disgust that they can sit in the commons.

Bozza · Jun 9, 2017

hans kraay fan club said:
This is just people calling out the obvious hypocrisy. To suggest otherwise would make you look very, very stupid.

Can you please be clear as to who are you accusing of hypocrisy?

So far you have pointed the finger at the Tory-supporting media and their targeting of Corbyn's past. Anyone else?

Mellotron · Jun 9, 2017

mejonaNO12 aka riskit said:
Now, I'm a proper political DUMB DUMB (as in I find every day political debate boring as anything and I have no idea about socialism, Centre Ground, left wing this, right wing that) so maybe my viewpoint is a bit basic, but it may also give a viewpoint to how some saw it.

I went into the election happy with most stuff. I personally haven't utilised the health service in recent years or have suffered with any real social "injustice". No anger towards the government, but I also have never really been able to distinguish CLEARLY between parties. It all felt very samey with a few differences in policies but ultimately I never felt passionate for one side or the other and wouldn't have been able to tell you who stood for what or where they stood on the political spectrum.

This time, for the first time, I can GENUINELY tell the difference between what the parties offer and their ideologies. I think this is the fourth or 5th election I've voted in and it felt like a moment of complete clarity for my understanding.

I ALWAYS try and distance myself from basing it on the leaders but look purely at policies. On every poll, online test, and just my gut told me Labour completely matched my beliefs.

Throw into that a proper chance to actually watch Corbyn in action and feel completely involved in what he had to say, and it was a no brainer for me. At 30 I'm attempting, somewhat poorly, to pretend I'm still a "young" voter but there certainly was a movement in my age group of real affiliation with what Labour offered. With that feeling, seeing the results across Hove and Brighton this morning, it feels completely reflective or what was going on around me.

Anyway, that's my non-savvy take on it. Feel free to tear it to pieces.

100% this. I'm 31 and this is the first time I've been able to vote with a completely clear conscience and in full support of Labour.

LlcoolJ · Jun 9, 2017

Triggaaar said:
Not like the wonderful Corbyn, he'd definitely go if he wasn't wanted.

What's it got to do with him? I was talking about our last two PMs.

highflyer · Jun 9, 2017

LamieRobertson said:
So what went wrong for the SNP....lost a large percentage of there seats...plus Alex ousted

I have a sense that, as well as other factors such as the second referendum, this was simply a rebalancing of a false position. They are still in a far far stronger position than they were any time time before 2015. The 2015 election results represented an exception rather than the norm for Scotland.

Mellotron · Jun 9, 2017

Bozza said:
Is it only possible for there to be one terrorist sympathiser at any given time then?

*cough* John McDonnell
*cough* Dianne Abbott

Here's The Point

and here's You

:facepalm:

Bozza · Jun 9, 2017

Bold Seagull said:
Why mention the comparison with Kinnock then? He lost too, but you pointed out the number of seats in comparison as if you can compare coming second, I merely pointed out the vote share.

I'm just struggling to understand why we all need to stay out of Downing Street so Jez and the lads can complete their lap of honour.

biddles911 · Jun 9, 2017

Time to sack all the pollsters, I think!?

Unbelievable how badly wrong virtually all the polls got it and not for the first time....

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SK1NT · Jun 9, 2017

Bozza said:
Second/last in a two horse race.

Less seats that Kinnock got in 92.

I might need to look up what success means as I clearly have it wrong.

I like to think that this election was the start of people realising the vicious, personal attacks by the mail and the sun going against the agenda they were pushing (the personal attacks on Corbyn) I don't want to see a society dictated by the shit in the media by tory backing billionaires. I want to see a fair election fought on policy and not empty sound bites and rhetoric.

Surely even a staunch Tories realise that a credible and half decent oppositions is needed for the benefit of the country and democracy.

nicko31 · Jun 9, 2017

Bozza said:
I did and very happy to have done so.

I note they now have 12 seats, an increase by 50% on 2015. Presumably this entitles them to have a crack at forming a government, right?

I wish we could get them together with the Tories again, it worked. But Farron said no deals, alliances...

Not sure at all about the DUP

pastafarian · Jun 9, 2017

really time for bed now.....im tanking
what an interesting night.............who says democracy is over rated

Bozza · Jun 9, 2017

Mellotron said:
Here's The Point

and here's You

You couldn't have missed my point by more if you tried. I've never gone down the "terrorist sympathiser" line, either during this election or before. If nothing else, I know very little about it. Plenty of others on NSC seem to. Not me though.

Bozza · Jun 9, 2017

SK1NT said:
Surely even a staunch Tories realise that a credible and half decent oppositions is needed for the benefit of the country and democracy.

Dunno. Find one and ask them.

pb21 · Jun 9, 2017

Bozza said:
I'm just struggling to understand why we all need to stay out of Downing Street so Jez and the lads can complete their lap of honour.

Come on, it seems like you are the one blowing this out of proportion, not the Labour party!

Colossal Squid · Jun 9, 2017

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Triggaaar · Jun 9, 2017

LlcoolJ said:
What's it got to do with him? I was talking about our last two PMs.

You said we couldn't get a more self-centred PM that Dave, but PM is proving you wrong (highlighting clinging on and saving her own skin as the reason) - I'm just highlighting that Corbyn would prove you wrong too (as he clung on), if he could win.

Bozza · Jun 9, 2017

biddles911 said:
Time to sack all the pollsters, I think!?

Unbelievable how badly wrong virtually all the polls got it and not for the first time....

Not all. Turns out YouGov's experimental seat forecasting was almost bang on, I think.

Survation, a relative newbie I think, were also very close.

hans kraay fan club · Jun 9, 2017

Bozza said:
Can you please be clear as to who are you accusing of hypocrisy?

So far you have pointed the finger at the Tory-supporting media and their targeting of Corbyn's past. Anyone else?

Largely, but not just their friends in the media. The Tory party themselves have been very happy to use that line with regularity, and are now happy to power-share with a party, led for decades by Ian Paisley.

LlcoolJ · Jun 9, 2017

Triggaaar said:
You said we couldn't get a more self-centred PM that Dave, but PM is proving you wrong (highlighting clinging on and saving her own skin as the reason) - I'm just highlighting that Corbyn would prove you wrong too (as he clung on), if he could win.

Possibly / probably so. But that's just conjecture whereas what DC and TM have done is fact.

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