To be fair I'm yet to see a game where we've played well for 90 mins. I still don't think we are close to last year, but if we can keep improving and peak at the right time we have a chance.
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Stockdale poor again
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To be fair I'm yet to see a game where we've played well for 90 mins. I still don't think we are close to last year, but if we can keep improving and peak at the right time we have a chance.
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Captain Sensible
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I wasn't at the game yesterday, so I can only comment on what I've seen of the highlights. I've slowed down both PNE goals and looked at them. Firstly Bruno plays a half volley with the inside of his right foot back to Stockdale. It's a really high ball and a stupid one to play, i'm sure Stockdale was not expecting anything to come back to him as the play was fairly far away. So a large portion of the blame has to be with Bruno for putting his goalkeeper under unnecessary pressure. However, Stockdale doesn't have any other players near him when he tries to control the ball, he takes it with the top of his thigh and hip. The control was poor and the ball bounced too far and straight to their player. I do believe that Stockdale had time to volley it (which would be the preferred choice), head it, start running back and let it bounce a few times before clearing. But to do that he had to expect the pass which he didn't. I have to say I portion the blame as much at Stockdale's door as Bruno's, simply because there was time to deal with it and there wasn't anyone near him. For the Second, a long high ball over should have been delt with by both Duffy and Dunk but their giant wins the header, but Stockdale takes a step forward towards where Duffy, Dunk and their player are, and then when Dunk and Duffy don't win the header he is left too close to his near post and flat footed. The reason he does that is i think he is fully expecting Duffy or Dink to win the header and then he can clear up the 2nd ball. Overall I think he was more at fault for the first than the 2nd but and our outfielders have to take at least half the blame (Bruno for the first), Murphy and the defence for the 2nd. Stockdale could have done better, especially for the first goal. I'm not hating anyone, just calling it as I saw it, but yes only from video replays.
Mike Small
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- Dec 26, 2008
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So many of the goals we concede are too soft and Stockdale is to blame I'm afraid. Reading's first (cross which goes straight in), Reading's second (beaten at his near post too easily). Newcastle's first (he is beaten by a header from virtually outside the area), Newcastle's second (makes Shelvey look like like Messi), both Brentford goals (beaten at his near post and one straight at him). Now irrespective of the first yesterday what disappoints me the most about Stockdale are the number of goals he makes no attempt for. It was hardly a bullet header and at all at the end. At the very least he should be diving. Similarly to the Wednesday goal in the play offs at the Amex. It wasn't whipped in by Wallce but Stockdale stands there as if he had no chance. In summary I'm fed up with his no attempts and the weak efforts on our goal which always goes in. His place should be more vulnerable than it is as he is a weak link in our team No doubt.
Arkwright
Arkwright
If you would have read my original post I am not anti Stockdale however I do feel that he is not in great form at present and needs to improve on crosses and generally bossing his own penalty area.
Also I feel his distribution isn't what iit was last season.
Ninja Elephant
Doctor Elephant
- Feb 16, 2009
- 18,855
I do agree with this, he is beaten too easily but I have changed my original opinion that he isn't worth any points. I don't think he's worth the 10+ points per season that some people think he is, but he saves us more points than he costs us and has done over the last season or so. He's comfortably in credit but it doesn't mean he shouldn't be held to account as other players are.
BensGrandad
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The big question is knowing that Maenpaa is a capable deputy but do we bring him in now or get Ben Roberts to work on Stockdale tomorrow prior to Wolves on Tuesday? I would go with the latter at this moment in time.
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
Tell Chris,perhaps all this blame of the keeper would not be happening IF Chris had kept him in the side....not saying Stcockdale should be out of the side but nothing sharpens the mind and focus like being kept out for a few games by an understudy who performs well enough to get a run in the team...
Blues Rock DJ
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recall Walton
BensGrandad
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Doing well at Luton but we have 2 better at the moment.
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
Leave him there,besides we must off load Casper at the end of the season,unless Niki wishes to stay of course.
Captain Sensible
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Maenpaa should start on Tuesday, he must wonder how invincible Stockdale is if he doesn't start. You can argue how much responsibility Stockdale should take for both goals, but the truth is he could have done better with both. So I think it's time to change keepers.
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
For the good of Niki,the team,morale and the long run i think it would be best..
Finchley Seagull
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I read your original post just chose to ignore it as your other comments clearly show a bias. You basically blamed him for various goals and gave him no credit for our run of clean sheets. If that's not anti a player then what is?
Arkwright
Arkwright
Read it how you like I feel it is an honest assessment of Stockdale this season. He just hasn't reached his level of last season.
Finchley Seagull
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I don't know why I am surprised by threads like this. Stockdale was amazing last season. He's been very good this season. We have one of the best defensivecrecords in the league. I would be very surprised if a change was made on Tuesday. Stockdale is our number one and has done nothing to lose that, despite what people like you think. In fact, before yesterday's game we had conceded one goal (a late consolation goal) in five games. All that is left is for some to blame him for that as it's the only goal we've conceded this year that the anti Stockdale brigade haven't tried to blame him for
Finchley Seagull
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If you think it is honest to blame him for a number of goals conceded and give him no credit for numerous clean sheets then I am glad you are not my manager
BensGrandad
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That is the concern of most as he was a great improvement last season on the previous but seems to have gone back to the original level of 14/15 season.
Finchley Seagull is entitled to an opinion but I dont think any body can say he has been good this season.
Finchley Seagull
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Concern of most. At what point did you know what most people think? I am not too concerned as we currently have conceded 9 goals in 12 games and Stockdale has played a big part in that
BensGrandad
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My most is based on rational thinking people not ones that are obviously biased and can see no wrong. When called upon this season he has not met the mark. Routine saves are what he is paid to do we need the keeper to step up to the mark when called upon, which he did last season but sadly not this.
Finchley Seagull
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What rubbish. You are massively biased. Also, I think it is not worth debating with someone who thought he should have caught Bruno's backpass as it would have been a free kick from where the backpass was played from.