I don't understand your logic at all. Arguably, Leave won because it was a coalition of those voters motivated to stop free movement / immigration, those against whatever the government of the day stood for and those that were beguiled by the lies of Boris, Farage and the red bus. Those people were always going to comprise 40% of the vote, so you only needed 20% of the remaining 60% to think Brexit was actually a good thing in itself to get past 50%.
There should never be a referendum on anything ever again, direct democracy doesn't work, that's why we have a representative parliamentary democracy. The general public cannot be trusted to make the right decisions, they would generally vote on emotion, beliefs, preconceptions or prejudices that are not aligned with the best interests of the country as a whole, that's why we elect a chamber of politicians to properly scrutinise these issues and collectively come to the correct consensus.
On the flip side if your point..
I fail to see how a referendum is ever going to help as it is usually too blunt an instrument. They give the electorate a decision that they are ill-equipped to make. Brexit is the obvious example as nobody really knew what Brexit they were voting for, never mind the outrageous lies that the battle lines were drawn on that people have not been held to account for. I'd say independence referendums are the only fair ones, and even they are flawed.
The main thing wrong with our political system is the electorate. As I have said countless times, the people get the governments they deserve.
This is absolute bollocks. You may have noticed Scotland have 48 SNP seats out of 59. They also voted two thirds remain. Where is the government they deserve? Or just look at the percentage of votes cast: we don't deserve a Tory government because we didn't vote for it. And remember, of that 40% or whatever voting Tory, some only voted to get Brexit done, and some only voted to keep Corbyn out. It's not a ringing endorsement of our political system.
As the arguments in favour turned to dust. Supporters including many on here insisted that sovereignty was the unshakeable justification for Brexit. A bit like "ha ha it is just Dom being Dom" no one mentions it any more.
Bollocks? Hmmmm.....Thanks for that
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You said "we get the government we deserve" which is nonsense. You haven't addressed the fact that Scotland doesn't get the government it votes for. Oh and the independence vote would have won easily if it had been held after Brexit.Bollocks? Hmmmm.....Thanks for that
The Scotland situation has got something to do with the fact that outside of Scotland we don't vote SNP, so if SNP is what Scotland wants, they are disenfranchising themselves. But what you are advocating, logically, is that Scotland should be granted independence. Perhaps they should have a referendum. Oh.....hang on
I like the fact that the party with the biggest vote forms the government. I think that's better than the party with the smallest vote forming the government. I know we all hate to lose but when we do we simply have to suck it up and hope the vote goes our way the next time. That's democracy.
I am not particularly bothered about the house of Lords. I blame the tories, and the mugs who voted for them, for our shit show of a nation. I don't see that the Lords had much of a role in that. I am not enthusiastic about an elected second chamber (with real power) because we would end up like America, with people instinctively voting differently in each election, one chamber perpetually blocking the other, and stalemate. Inaction is a bigger problem in the UK than the tories, half the time. It has taken the cumulative neglect of the decades since the war to put us where we are now. Sacking some lords and bishops may be cathartic but it would largely be irrelevant.
Finally, if only Labour had 'powerful influencers' to persuade 'white van man', 'soccer mum', 'Student Grant' and other demographics to vote for them. I can only assume from your pain that you are a liberal. Good luck with the PR quest
You also seem to justify the biggest minority party being allowed to form a government is ok because at least it isn't the smallest minority party doing so. What sort of straw man argument is that?
I think it's time that I let you know that it's you that's writing nonsense. That is a complete load of after timing, illogical rubbish; it misrepresents what I wrote, and isn't worthy of serious rebuttal. I'm not sure what's got into you (someone I have hitherto regarded as sensible)You said "we get the government we deserve" which is nonsense. You haven't addressed the fact that Scotland doesn't get the government it votes for. Oh and the independence vote would have won easily if it had been held after Brexit.
And finally you say you're not bothered about the House of Lords being unelected - literally the paragraph after saying "that's democracy". Seems to show absolutely no self awareness.
Finally, it really doesn't matter what my politics are. Unless I'm someone who would automatically vote Tory or Labour regardless of who represent them at the time, it doesn't actually matter what my politics are - I'm let down by the voting system.
What you mean is, you can't debate sensibly so you're flouncing. Plus ca change. Normally comes out in the form of some tedious grandiose statement about your ignore list, so your flounce modus operandi is clearly changing.I think it's time that I let you know that it's you that's writing nonsense. That is a complete load of after timing, illogical rubbish; it misrepresents what I wrote, and isn't worthy of serious rebuttal. I'm not sure what's got into you (someone I have hitherto regarded as sensible)
I am not flouncing.
I can't be arsed with you to be honest. Five minutes ago, you didn't want to engage as you were flouncing. Now you do. Make your mind up. You take offense to the most trivial things - here you first accused me of being "rude and aggressive" simply for calling bollocks on your assertion that "the voting system is not the issue, it is the electorate". I've fully explained why I think that is rubbish and called out your hypocrisy on democracy.
