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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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nicko31

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,650
Gods country fortnightly
Westdene Seagull said:
Fair point but for me personally any delay risks the possibility of not actually leaving. If I had more trust that those bitterly opposed to leaving - the Gina Miller's of the world - wouldn't use a delay to try and prevent an eventual leaving then I'd be happy for a extension. Unfortunately, the previous parliament, the likes of Gina Miller and the campaign for a "People's Vote" suggest to me we need to leave ASAP as they can't be trusted to accept us leaving.
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Stop whining about Gina, she's there to protect people just like you from governments trying to abuse their power
 




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Garry Nelson's teacher

Well-known member
May 11, 2015
5,257
Bloody Worthing!
Westdene Seagull said:
Where's Bill Murray when you need him ! It's about leaving an organisation that has morphed from a trading block to close to a 'United States of Europe' without authorisation from the UK voters. It's about said organisation gradually centralising control rather than, as the UK is doing, devolving power and decisions more locally. You can paint it as xenophobia, racism, hate of immigration etc as much as you like but you are wrong. I'll accept there maybe a number of people that voted for it around those topics but it's a broad generalisation to suggest that WAS the issue for EVERYONE.
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I see the thrust of your point. But I'm a bit phased by the claim that we have a government committed to further devolution. Evidence please? (And please no mention of the 'levelling up' nonsense.)
 


Westdene Seagull

Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,094
The arse end of Hangleton
nicko31 said:
Stop whining about Gina, she's there to protect people just like you from governments trying to abuse their power
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No she's not - she's a media whore who is only in it to further her own personal success. She's the Farage of the Remain camp.

Garry Nelson's teacher said:
I see the thrust of your point. But I'm a bit phased by the claim that we have a government committed to further devolution. Evidence please? (And please no mention of the 'levelling up' nonsense.)
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Not sure what you mean by 'levelling up' so couldn't use it as an argument anyway. The past few governments have devolved, albeit slowly, decisions to the Welsh and Scottish governments. A good example is that they can produce their own Covid-19 rules and not follow those for England if they wish. The Irish government has also just been re-convened. More places are now allowed to vote for a mayor who can make local decisions. Is THIS government for more devolved power ? No real evidence one way or the other ( and I didn't specify this government ) but it has certainly been the direction of travel over the past 20 years or so. When Labour win the next GE I suspect even more powers will be devolved - and so they should.
 
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nicko31

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,650
Gods country fortnightly
Garry Nelson's teacher said:
I see the thrust of your point. But I'm a bit phased by the claim that we have a government committed to further devolution. Evidence please? (And please no mention of the 'levelling up' nonsense.)
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I think what the Tories mean by levelling up is basically "levelling", ie what will happen to the Nissan site and other major manufacturing plants after they impose economic sanctions on Britain with their wreckless Brexit
 


nicko31

nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,650
Gods country fortnightly
Westdene Seagull said:
No she's not - she's a media whore who is only in it to further her own personal success. She's the Farage of the Remain camp.
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Miller has used her energy towards social justice and has received racial abuse and death threats for doing so.

Farage has used his energy to weaponise immigration and sow division and now has his own radio programme as reinforcement

Who's the media whore?
 




Westdene Seagull

Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,094
The arse end of Hangleton
nicko31 said:
Miller has used her energy towards social justice and has received racial abuse and death threats for doing so.

Farage has used his energy to weaponise immigration and sow division and now has his own radio programme as reinforcement

Who's the media whore?
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Both of them.
 


G

Garry Nelson's teacher

Well-known member
May 11, 2015
5,257
Bloody Worthing!
Westdene Seagull said:
No she's not - she's a media whore who is only in it to further her own personal success. She's the Farage of the Remain camp.



Not sure what you mean by 'levelling up' so couldn't use it as an argument anyway. The past few governments have devolved, albeit slowly, decisions to the Welsh and Scottish governments. A good example is that they can produce their own Covid-19 rules and not follow those for England if they wish. The Irish government has also just been re-convened. More places are now allowed to vote for a mayor who can make local decisions. Is THIS government for more devolved power ? No real evidence one way or the other ( and I didn't specify this government ) but it has certainly been the direction of travel over the past 20 years or so. When Labour win the next GE I suspect even more powers will be devolved - and so they should.
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Love the choice of the word 'When'. I think you mean the 'Northern Irish Executive' (you could get into a bit of trouble with your wording in certain bars in Belfast). Take your points but it doesn't add up to much TBH - we are still one of the more centralized states in Europe.
'Levelling up' is pretty meaningless. Agreed.
 










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WATFORD zero said:
Was going to post this on the Colston thread, as that was where [MENTION=22929]Grombleton[/MENTION] put this response to [MENTION=2719]Mouldy Boots[/MENTION] but seems more appropriate here



Certainly Sir, would that be the 3 month flounce or the full annual

31st Jan 2020

28th April 2020







As Johnson would say 'A man of his word' :laugh:
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Watford, you appear to be missing me, come and join me on another thread, Brexit is a done deal now.

Not quite sure of your point here, I have only been back here (Brexit thread) by invitation ONLY

Would you like me to PM a picture? Any preferred angle??? Why the obsession ??? :kiss:
 




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Lincoln Imp

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2009
5,964
nicko31 said:
I think what the Tories mean by levelling up is basically "levelling", ie what will happen to the Nissan site and other major manufacturing plants after they impose economic sanctions on Britain with their wreckless Brexit
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Unfortunately, Brexit will be far from wreckless.
 


JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Mouldy Boots said:
Watford, you appear to be missing me, come and join me on another thread, Brexit is a done deal now.

Not quite sure of your point here, I have only been back here (Brexit thread) by invitation ONLY

Would you like me to PM a picture? Any preferred angle??? Why the obsession ??? :kiss:
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It would be interesting to compare the number of mentions we all get from StalkyMcStalkface..

05-06-2020
09:41 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...ctive and selected JC Footy Genius quotes, as he is the...

31-05-2020
09:41 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post Will Cummings go?
...end, so I just put JC Footy Genius' and 'stupid ideas' ...

30-05-2020
18:16 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post Will Cummings go?
...egards DF I bet JC Footy Genius is so glad you came ...

24-05-2020
12:45 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
... pastafarian JC Footy Genius all over the Cummin...

26-02-2020
10:39 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
... Unionist Brexiteer JC Footy Genius can see the funny si...

05-02-2020
21:24 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post What The Hell Is A Gammon?
...te appearance by JC Footy Genius for the full house. ...

03-02-2020
13:15 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...tely know that JC Footy Genius was voting for a bor...

30-01-2020
12:39 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...e of that because JC Footy Genius is so excited about ...

24-01-2020
18:48 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...ardent unionist JC Footy Genius appears to have no v...

20-11-2019
19:03 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
... Well to be fair JC Footy Genius, one of the most ard...

19-11-2019
10:32 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
...ower West Stander JC Footy Genius (I'm sure I've left...

12-11-2019
09:53 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
...117047 I can see JC Footy Genius getting really upset...

05-11-2019
13:36 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
...ere credit is due, JC Footy Genius looks really good fo...

31-10-2019
10:30 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...d crap :whistle: JC Footy Genius and Westdene Seagull...

29-10-2019
17:27 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...tdene Seagull and JC Footy Genius. The reason I have ...

22-10-2019
15:55 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...ene Seagull and JC Footy Genius views on it. Mainly,...

13-10-2019
10:54 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
... that yourself and JC Footy Genius have been looking fo...
10:10 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...f and JC Footy Genius have been looking fo...

.... and on and on .... very needy. :lolol:

Stay safe.

https://www.gov.uk/report-stalker
 


L

Lincoln Imp

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2009
5,964
Westdene Seagull said:
No she's not - she's a media whore who is only in it to further her own personal success. She's the Farage of the Remain camp.
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I can understand Gina Miller irritating Brexiters but the level of vitriol is surprising. All she did was bring to the British courts' attention her belief that our government was breaking the law. The judiciary confirmed that she was correct. You say that she did this only to further her own personal success. Can you explain how?

You mention Nigel Farage. One sunny day last weekend, 137,000 people demonstrated on Britsh streets. The was misbehaviour no doubt but of the 137,000, one apparently vandalised the Cenotaph. Farage rushed for Twitter, tremblingly furious as he brought the nation's attention to the actions of one pathetic little oik. THAT is being a media whore.
 




D

Deleted member 2719

Guest
JC Footy Genius said:
It would be interesting to compare the number of mentions we all get from StalkyMcStalkface..

05-06-2020
09:41 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...ctive and selected JC Footy Genius quotes, as he is the...

31-05-2020
09:41 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post Will Cummings go?
...end, so I just put JC Footy Genius' and 'stupid ideas' ...

30-05-2020
18:16 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post Will Cummings go?
...egards DF I bet JC Footy Genius is so glad you came ...

24-05-2020
12:45 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
... pastafarian JC Footy Genius all over the Cummin...

26-02-2020
10:39 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
... Unionist Brexiteer JC Footy Genius can see the funny si...

05-02-2020
21:24 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post What The Hell Is A Gammon?
...te appearance by JC Footy Genius for the full house. ...

03-02-2020
13:15 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...tely know that JC Footy Genius was voting for a bor...

30-01-2020
12:39 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...e of that because JC Footy Genius is so excited about ...

24-01-2020
18:48 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...ardent unionist JC Footy Genius appears to have no v...

20-11-2019
19:03 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
... Well to be fair JC Footy Genius, one of the most ard...

19-11-2019
10:32 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
...ower West Stander JC Footy Genius (I'm sure I've left...

12-11-2019
09:53 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
...117047 I can see JC Footy Genius getting really upset...

05-11-2019
13:36 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
...ere credit is due, JC Footy Genius looks really good fo...

31-10-2019
10:30 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...d crap :whistle: JC Footy Genius and Westdene Seagull...

29-10-2019
17:27 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...tdene Seagull and JC Footy Genius. The reason I have ...

22-10-2019
15:55 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...ene Seagull and JC Footy Genius views on it. Mainly,...

13-10-2019
10:54 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
... that yourself and JC Footy Genius have been looking fo...
10:10 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...f and JC Footy Genius have been looking fo...

.... and on and on .... very needy. :lolol:

Stay safe.

https://www.gov.uk/report-stalker
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You're worrying me now.

I think I must be David Copperfield and you are Alan Partridge.

Has he got anymore posters of posters on his bedroom wall!

https://youtu.be/5iFrVmCZzWM?t=53
 


L

Lincoln Imp

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2009
5,964
JC Footy Genius said:
It would be interesting to compare the number of mentions we all get from StalkyMcStalkface..

05-06-2020
09:41 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...ctive and selected JC Footy Genius quotes, as he is the...

31-05-2020
09:41 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post Will Cummings go?
...end, so I just put JC Footy Genius' and 'stupid ideas' ...

30-05-2020
18:16 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post Will Cummings go?
...egards DF I bet JC Footy Genius is so glad you came ...

24-05-2020
12:45 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
... pastafarian JC Footy Genius all over the Cummin...

26-02-2020
10:39 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
... Unionist Brexiteer JC Footy Genius can see the funny si...

05-02-2020
21:24 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post What The Hell Is A Gammon?
...te appearance by JC Footy Genius for the full house. ...

03-02-2020
13:15 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...tely know that JC Footy Genius was voting for a bor...

30-01-2020
12:39 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...e of that because JC Footy Genius is so excited about ...

24-01-2020
18:48 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...ardent unionist JC Footy Genius appears to have no v...

20-11-2019
19:03 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
... Well to be fair JC Footy Genius, one of the most ard...

19-11-2019
10:32 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
...ower West Stander JC Footy Genius (I'm sure I've left...

12-11-2019
09:53 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
...117047 I can see JC Footy Genius getting really upset...

05-11-2019
13:36 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
...ere credit is due, JC Footy Genius looks really good fo...

31-10-2019
10:30 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...d crap :whistle: JC Footy Genius and Westdene Seagull...

29-10-2019
17:27 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...tdene Seagull and JC Footy Genius. The reason I have ...

22-10-2019
15:55 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...ene Seagull and JC Footy Genius views on it. Mainly,...

13-10-2019
10:54 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
... that yourself and JC Footy Genius have been looking fo...
10:10 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...f and JC Footy Genius have been looking fo...

.... and on and on .... very needy. :lolol:

Stay safe.

https://www.gov.uk/report-stalker
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You could I suppose stop giving him due cause. Your complaint is a bit like Harold Shipman complaining that the police keep bothering him.


("Remainer compares Brexiter to mass murderer shock")
 


JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Lincoln Imp said:
I can understand Gina Miller irritating Brexiters but the level of vitriol is surprising. All she did was bring to the British courts' attention her belief that our government was breaking the law. The judiciary confirmed that she was correct. You say that she did this only to further her own personal success. Can you explain how?

You mention Nigel Farage. One sunny day last weekend, 137,000 people demonstrated on Britsh streets. The was misbehaviour no doubt but of the 137,000, one apparently vandalised the Cenotaph. Farage rushed for Twitter, tremblingly furious as he brought the nation's attention to the actions of one pathetic little oik. THAT is being a media whore.
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As the Impster has the same crowd counting skills as D Trump it might be wise to FactCheck this figure ..
 






WATFORD zero

WATFORD zero

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 10, 2003
25,959
JC Footy Genius said:
It would be interesting to compare the number of mentions we all get from StalkyMcStalkface..

05-06-2020
09:41 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...ctive and selected JC Footy Genius quotes, as he is the...

31-05-2020
09:41 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post Will Cummings go?
...end, so I just put JC Footy Genius' and 'stupid ideas' ...

30-05-2020
18:16 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post Will Cummings go?
...egards DF I bet JC Footy Genius is so glad you came ...

24-05-2020
12:45 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
... pastafarian JC Footy Genius all over the Cummin...

26-02-2020
10:39 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
... Unionist Brexiteer JC Footy Genius can see the funny si...

05-02-2020
21:24 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post What The Hell Is A Gammon?
...te appearance by JC Footy Genius for the full house. ...

03-02-2020
13:15 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...tely know that JC Footy Genius was voting for a bor...

30-01-2020
12:39 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...e of that because JC Footy Genius is so excited about ...

24-01-2020
18:48 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...ardent unionist JC Footy Genius appears to have no v...

20-11-2019
19:03 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
... Well to be fair JC Footy Genius, one of the most ard...

19-11-2019
10:32 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
...ower West Stander JC Footy Genius (I'm sure I've left...

12-11-2019
09:53 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
...117047 I can see JC Footy Genius getting really upset...

05-11-2019
13:36 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The General Election Thread
...ere credit is due, JC Footy Genius looks really good fo...

31-10-2019
10:30 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...d crap :whistle: JC Footy Genius and Westdene Seagull...

29-10-2019
17:27 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...tdene Seagull and JC Footy Genius. The reason I have ...

22-10-2019
15:55 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...ene Seagull and JC Footy Genius views on it. Mainly,...

13-10-2019
10:54 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
... that yourself and JC Footy Genius have been looking fo...
10:10 - WATFORD zero mentioned JC Footy Genius in post The Brexit Thread
...f and JC Footy Genius have been looking fo...

.... and on and on .... very needy. :lolol:

Stay safe.

https://www.gov.uk/report-stalker
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I can't imagine why you would go to the trouble of editing each and every post of mine before you quoted it (again) ???

I'm busy tonight, but I'm watching paint dry later in the week, so I wonder what those posts you've edited might have said?

I do remember years ago, making the offer that if you stopped saying stupid things, I would stop quoting you. Do you want me to find it?

Rmember, it's all on the Internet in black and white :thumbsup:

Congratulations on getting Two Professors back though :lolol:
 
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nicko31

nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
17,650
Gods country fortnightly
Lincoln Imp said:
I can understand Gina Miller irritating Brexiters but the level of vitriol is surprising. All she did was bring to the British courts' attention her belief that our government was breaking the law. The judiciary confirmed that she was correct. You say that she did this only to further her own personal success. Can you explain how?
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Yeap she just stood up a government that wanted to bypass parliament. Brexiters did their nut, but they should thank her, ultimately she stood up for all of us, a victory for all of us
 


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