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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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Grombleton

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I thought everything was meant to be the same under the EU. Just been to an Italian doctors with my wife, charged €20 to step through the door. We got off lightly as its usually €50. No wonder our NHS goes short in some areas.
 


A1X

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bashlsdir said:
I thought everything was meant to be the same under the EU. Just been to an Italian doctors with my wife, charged €20 to step through the door. We got off lightly as its usually €50. No wonder our NHS goes short in some areas.
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Welcome to the world of medical treatment which is not free at the point of use. Coming soon to a GP surgery after you thanks to Brexit.
 






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Lever

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Feb 6, 2019
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pastafarian said:
why did you ask a question you already knew the answer to? No one has ever said its undemocratic to change your mind, surely unless you are a bit dim you knew this already before you asked someone if they had been told its undemocratic to change your mind
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Did any Leaver tell you it was undemocratic to change your mind Pastafarian?
There, that didn't hurt did it... and I didn't know the answer till you wrote your last tome.
But you seem to have lost your light hearted repartee.... and are reduced to limp insults again.
The sun's shining, apparently you 'won' something a few years ago.... so cheer up!
 


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We're not allowed to charge people are we, that would be xenophobic.
 








Pretty pink fairy

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Remoaners staring down the barrel of a gun that isn't loaded with blanks, keep up the doomsayers groans ,this country voted for change it's going to happen so get used to it believe in Britain Not the EU
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DR
 






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theonlymikey

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Apr 21, 2016
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pastafarian said:
But i do have an answer as to why i voted to leave and have said so as to why we should leave. You can search NSC pre referendum brexit threads and discover this yourself.
I still dont understand why you want to discuss if we should leave or not when the voting booths are closed and a decision from the referendum vote has been returned.



Ah, more mis-representing from you. You really cant lick your problem can you. The word “ignored” was used not the word ignoring.
If you end up not carrying out the decision given by a referendum, and do the opposite instead, then its fair to say that decision has been “Ignored”.
Will you complain down the line if a future referendum instructs the UK to rejoin the EU, and that referendum decision is ignored and we stay out of the EU instead. Be odd if you moaned about the same standards that remainers have just now invented for themselves and consider by their own determination to be the rules that can be applied.
By the way, in such an eventuality, I would say the referendum should be respected and we should rejoin, where as you will be running around like a headless chicken wondering if you should be a hypocrite and moan that your own invented standards of ignoring a referendum decision are being applied.




Crikey .The remainiac bullshitters have done a good job on you.
You are like a one man checkbox exercise from their grooming handbook.

They have convinced you that Liam Fox saying the trade deal between the UK and the EU will be the easiest deal in history ( a trade deal that cannot be negotiated and concluded until after we have left and are a third country) was actually Fox saying instead that the withdrawal agreement deal will be the easiest deal in history,……. maybe the trade deal will be the easiest is trade deal in history, who can say, we havnt got to that point yet.
They have convinced you that ever closer union is a lie because it still hasn’t happened since we voted or been finalized, even though it is just a symbolic aspiration with no legal effect that cant be finalized anyway because it doesn’t actually do anything anyway with how the EU operates.
They have convinced you that actually an EU army, being the most powerful army on the planet and a joy amongst 27 allies if it happened, isnt such a bad thing after all, whilst at the same time angrily telling everyone else there wont be a EU army and stop worrying people(because most remainers think it’s a dreadful idea too), even though if its formed it will be the most powerful army on the planet and will be brilliant……that’s noahs ark tomfoolery that one.
They have convinced you that leavers were lying when telling you the whole population of Turkey were going to turn up on the UK doorstep, even though no one said the whole population of Turkey was going to turn up on the UK doorstep. The only people that said the whole population of Turkey was going to turn up on the UK doorstep where remainers, when they lied that you were being told this…..confusing isnt it.
They have convinced you that in general your concerns over the EU should be dismissed because in actuality these concerns are the fault of you guessed it…..Tory Austerity…. This one is called the momentum effect, which is also used by lib dems as they hate the notion not only that its possible for people dislike the EU, but believe its impossible people voted to leave because they disliked the EU(it must be another reason)…..even when many of them say in the same breath the EU is shit, and we should stay in and fundamentally change and reform it so it isnt shitty anymore.
They have convinced you that sovereignty isnt really a thing either, (even though it was one of the major voting issues for leavers)… and even if it was actually a thing you shouldn’t concern yourself with it , its only a tiny fraction of laws that influence the UK. Sure,it might well be that its up to 60% influenced when you include regulations alongside acts and statutory instruments, but it’s a bit complicated to say for sure, so don’t concern yourself with that and lets go with the lowest figure we can imagine so you don’t have to think it’s a relevant issue.

These type of grooming remainiacs that peddle their crap are full on,they are like a relentless plague, they usually infest places like twitter,I think they have a cult support group on twitter somewhere, remainersnow or something, where there are 30 thousand victims that can share their stories, no one is really sure if they are all victims but the victim card works better if you simply pretend they all are, but as you have already eluded you are quite susceptible to being influenced, so I wouldn’t seek them out if I were you

I hope you will be able to be less susceptible in the future should there ever be a referendum to rejoin the EU after we have left……that will be an interesting discussion considering new membership terms will prob mean no rebate and no opt outs…..but that’s a conversation for another day.

Stay safe, and remember, you are always entitled to change your mind on something. At least you have online support. Think of those poor remainers that have changed their mind and are now leavers. They wouldn’t dare say anything on places like twitter, they would be hounded. Not surprised they just keep themselves to themselves and don’t make a public song and dance………bit like the well known shy tory effect.



I doubt anyone did. Have you ever heard anyone saying its undemocratic to change your mind? I have never heard anyone say its undemocratic to change your mind. I change my mind all the time and no one ever says what an undemocratic thing to do……just today I wasn’t going to have a hot chocolate, as im trying to knock them on the head, but I changed my mind and had one……very nice it was too……its all about the cream.



Now I appreciate you have shown yourself to be a bit clueless on the WTO
But nail on the head, even though you didn’t mean it.
In the event of no deal The EU cannot accept not having borders in Ireland. From day one they will have to protect the integrity of their single market and erect borders in Ireland thus being the instigators of breaking the GFA. We on the other hand will not erect borders on day one, (no WTO rules demand borders are erected,obviously with your WTO stupidity,you may not have worked this out yet) we will wait for the inevitable complaint via the WTO that will take months anyway to even sort out the beginning of forum talks and might take years to resolve to a conclusion from interested parties.Even then as no WTO rules demand we erect borders, we might still not erect borders and may use one of the other options that are open to forum members instead, if we are found(years down the line) to be in breach of WTO rules
I wonder in that scenario where it’s the EU seen as breaking the GFA, all of a sudden technological solutions that have been previously discussed and dismissed internally by the EU might be a solution the EU may suddenly think might be able to be applied after all so they are not seen as the ones breaking the GFA. Who knows eh. No one has a real crystal ball so its all just speculation.



Excellent conspiracy theory. Not quite as good as the mental one doing the rounds that we are soon to be the 51st state of the USA, but a cracking conspiracy none the less.
I know, why don’t you post a tweet again on here that implies elitist Boris was making a campaign promise in the run up to the 2016 referendum,……when in reality its actually him speaking in 2011,when he wasn’t even an MP and well before we even knew there was going to be a referendum…….that sort of twitter nonsense is always good for a giggle and provides fodder for the gullible CT types.
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Pastafarian.

Care to disclose the “checkboxes” I have ticked? I think it would be quite interesting to see what kind of criteria one must fill to be considered a remainer, by a leaver. Are there different levels of remainer? Is there a ranking system?

I wait with baited breath. In your entire post you have allured to “remaniacs” (love the new word by the way, I think this one will stick) doing a “job” on me.

The irony of course, at no point acknowledging, nay actually, wilfully ignoring the point I made about right wing media as a whole doing a job on me in the first place. I mean if you’re going to come at me, please do some research and acknowledge the theme of the post as a whole.

Firstly, conflating the terms withdrawal agreement and trade deal as being separate entities is a good method to try and nit pick, to and defend the comments Leave made about the easiest deal in history. A common theme but inherently flawed. Here’s why. During the referendum, there was a lot of speak about a trade deal. There was little speak about a withdrawal agreement. And even if both were mentioned, there was very little in the way of explaining they are not conceivably the same thing.

But, if the trade deal really was the easiest to form in human history, why could it not have been agreed during the withdrawal agreement negotiations and implemented into the withdrawal agreement bill? The very fact we are going to have an indefinite backstop implies even if a withdrawal agreement can be ratified – I personally don’t believe one ever will, the trade deal will still not be the easiest in human history. This to me is simple common sense and logic.

In response to your argument regarding the ever closer union. I’m baffled by you incoherent sentence. It reads like you believe this can never be finalised. Which is exactly what I was trying to point out. An un-implementable scare tactic.

In response to your EU army points. Again it’s not clear. Were you rage typing? Since when do most remainers think it’s a bad Idea? I think based on our severe under funding of our own defence we could certainly do with being part of a bigger group. I certainly believe it would be a bigger deterrent than a few nuclear submarines. But that’s neither here nor there.

In regards to Turkey. I agree, nobody at all said the entire Turkish population would turn up. How absurd. The fear mongering relied on making the public believe there is the potential for a lot of Turkish to immigrate here. Let’s not be facetious or literal. Not all messages by the leave campaign were literal. It was about the theme, about the rhetoric.

This bit however, was the most absurd part of your post. The strain of public services caused by austerity v the EU. You cannot deny that immigration was a hot subject during the referendum campaigns. Immigration was a concern by a few sets of voters. However, I will simply outline two groups of people who were concerned about EU immigration. 1. Racists. 2. People who were concerned about strain on public services and housing. These people such as myself were worried about class sizes being too big, too little homes driving up rent prices and house prices, longer waiting times for the NHS, Increased suicide due to lack of mental health services and less safety as a result of fewer police offices on the street.

As a mail reader at the time, it was a very precarious situation where the Daily Mail was torn between ripping MP’s apart for scare mongering about leaving, whilst simultaneously giving full support to the same MP’s domestic policies. Anything to avoid a Labour government. As a public, people were deeply unhappy with cuts, cuts and more cuts. The leave campaign played on this through blaming immigration, by blaming the EU. The obvious rhetoric, was that your children’s class sizes would be smaller if not for all the brown people taking up school places. That brown people and undeserving eastern Europeans are taking up YOUR place on the NHS register. That these people got first dibs on your houses – that we already didn’t have enough of.

It’s no coincidence that these issues became more and more noticeable after the coalition backed austerity in 2010. But I was told it was because of immigration. I now know this to be a lie. And if there are still people out there that still would vote leave to curb immigration, if I was them, I would feel betrayed too by BJ’s decision to scrap lowering immigration and to endorse an illegal immigrant amnesty.

“They have convinced you that sovereignty isn’t really a thing either”. No they have enlightened me to the fact that on the things that matter, we have full control and that in reality, treaties which have the ability to transfer more sovereignty to the EU require the UK to support it.

“no one is really sure if they are all victims but the victim card works better if you simply pretend they all are”. I’ve provided linked evidence confirming I am genuinely somebody who has changed their mind. Considering I am one of 34 million people who voted in the referendum, I think it’s highly likely that at LEAST 30,000 have changed their attitude. Considering 30,000 is only 0.08% of the vote. You are disingenuous to the extreme. Its scary scary stuff.
 


A1X

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hans kraay fan club

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bashlsdir said:
I thought everything was meant to be the same under the EU. Just been to an Italian doctors with my wife, charged €20 to step through the door. We got off lightly as its usually €50. No wonder our NHS goes short in some areas.
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Who told you 'everything is meant to be the same under the EU'? The Daily Mail? Nigel Farage? Just one of the prime myths repeated on loop by the media, which the idiots lap up. Did you really think that our health system and that of every other EU nation was managed, funded and delivered in the same manner - by EU diktat? :dunce:
 




sydney

sydney

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Jul 11, 2003
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politicians are just slithery faced ,lying caants , we all dig up lennon but at least his heart is on his sleeve not buried up his wingmans coight......disgusting state of affairs as I'm sure @Klass will agree....i mean he's never short of words normally....either him or the other one ...:tosser:
 


Grombleton

Grombleton

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Dec 31, 2011
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Pretty pink fairy

Pretty pink fairy

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hans kraay fan club said:
Who told you 'everything is meant to be the same under the EU'? The Daily Mail? Nigel Farage? Just one of the prime myths repeated on loop by the media, which the idiots lap up. Did you really think that our health system and that of every other EU nation was managed, funded and delivered in the same manner - by EU diktat? Nice swerve health tourists welcome to the UK
regards
DR
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Pretty pink fairy said:
They only want doom and gloom forecasts for this country, everything is good with in the EU No need for balanced broadcasting # the BBC
Regards
DR
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I agree some of the left on here are so blind to everything apart from the BBC and The guardian.

I feel for their narrow vision, as they must be bumping into people and tripping up all day long.
 


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