[Politics] Brexit

Bold Seagull · Jun 27, 2016

Lovely Polish lady I know whose kid is at a nursery in Hasting, twice shouted out by strangers over the weekend to 'go home'.

I fear this is happening around the country. Disgrace if it is.

studio150 · Jun 27, 2016

CHAPPERS said:
What does this mean for the likes of Amazon, Starbucks and all that lot who route their profits through Luxembourg, Ireland etc?

Are we able to tax them properly now or will they be able to carry on as normal??

I tihnk I already know the answer, unfortunately, but happy to hear thoughts.

People in work will continued to be taxed and have to wait ages for refunds from HMRC but large companies will of course still be able to ensure they only pay the minimal amount of tax possible - No change at all

ManOfSussex · Jun 27, 2016

Bold Seagull said:
Lovely Polish lady I know whose kid is at a nursery in Hasting, twice shouted out by strangers over the weekend to 'go home'.

I fear this is happening around the country. Disgrace if it is.

It is sadly - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36634786

Thunder Bolt · Jun 27, 2016

Bold Seagull said:
Lovely Polish lady I know whose kid is at a nursery in Hasting, twice shouted out by strangers over the weekend to 'go home'.

I fear this is happening around the country. Disgrace if it is.

I have a friend in Shoreham, who is French, married a British man, who has lived here for a number of years. She says she now feels unwelcome here.

dingodan · Jun 27, 2016

severnside gull said:
I can only say that in the Midlands where I live and which voted significantly to leave, immigration was a massive element of the process especially within existing migrant communities. To say otherwise would be to deny a manifest if unpopular truth.
If objecting to a xenophobic outlook hardens views against mine I will happily live with that in preference to keeping quiet.
As it stands we are the butt of every joke in Europe who view us very much as myopic little Englanders who have lost the ability to take a world view and who aren't inclined to a charitable response to our attempts at negotiating advantageous terms. Still, as the failures mount up we will doubtless dismiss them as "bloody foreigners"

Immigration is a massive issue, it is just not an issue based on race. It is based on economics, it is a based on unlimited numbers of people and limited resources. Surely you can see that?

"Bloody foreigners" are your words. I haven't heard that said ever by anyone who wanted to leave the EU. I have heard it afew times though, but only ever by Remainers who want to insinuate something unsavory about the other side. If you can call the other side racist or xenophobic, then you can dismiss them out of hand as bad people, and you can ignore them, and it is that which has played a role in maiking this issue so divisive, and it has played an indirect role in leading to a Leave victory. You are your own worst enemy.

Seasider78 · Jun 27, 2016

My prediction is when we sit down and discuss this with the EU they will offer us a minor upgrade on the deal DC came back with earlier this year or a punishing alternative. This combined with the wall of resistance the Scottish Parliament will put up (still a few disgruntled independence campaigners tactically voting up there) will see our government pushing people to remain.

This move will anger the leavers and whilst will be what the remainers wanted will demonstrate to the whole country democracy is dead. This will trigger mass protest votes for UKIP at the next election as they ride the whole campaign on the basis of the party that will deliver your mandate

The only thing I can see changing this outlook is additional countries joining this farce and the EU itself breaking up

What a ****ing mess

Goldstone1976 · Jun 27, 2016

Ernest said:
Yes, something along those lines but I don't think some people (the hotheads etc) will go along so simple as that, the genie is out of the bottle and there isn't a politician of any party with the support and the presence to reunite all the factions that have now come out into the open

Yep, I agree with that caveat to my suggestion too. It really is a clusterf*ck.

Both the Tories and Labour are currently in meltdown. Hardly anyone expected leave to win, and there was (is) no semblance of a plan to deal with the aftermath. The SNP has an articulate leader with some real, but narrow, ideas; but she has no actual power at the UK level - she can't make a referendum for Scottish Independence happen, and the suggestion that the Scottish Parliament could block a move to invoke Art 50 is a complete non-starter. The Lib Dems, though late to the party are carving out a "vote for us at the next GE (whenever that is), and we'll stay in Europe" line, which is a relevant starter position for a party, but they are utterly powerless until a GE, and have such a huge hill to climb to have any influence over policy after a GE that it's a real long shot to believe they'll be relevant. UKIP have one MP. Farage isn't even an MP. The Greens have one MP.

A complete and utter clusterf*ck.

The Government has to get a grip somehow, and Labour needs to figure out whether it wants to be trying to capture the middle ground (again) or be a socialist party, elect or retain a leader accordingly, and become an effective Opposition.

ManOfSussex · Jun 27, 2016

Seasider78 said:
What a ****ing mess

Totally.

Bold Seagull · Jun 27, 2016

Seagull58 said:
Project Fear is over. No emergency budget

FTSE continues to fall.

Stirling at a new 31 year low against the dollar.

Scotland pushing for a new referendum

Yeah, Project Fear is over...

Feel for anyone booked on an American holiday that don't have their dollars yet.

vegster · Jun 27, 2016

Titanic said:
FTSE100 stands at 6096 this morning, more than 150 points HIGHER than Jun 15th (5923). #dontpanic

Yes. And it had only taken since 2007 to get back to that level.

The Fifth Column · Jun 27, 2016

studio150 said:
I'm not sure why you quote £19bn being paid to the EU, given that the net figure after rebate and EU spending on the UK was £8.5bn in 2015.

I quoted it because its a fact and yes we get a significant proportion of it back but are not free to choose how that money is spent or where it goes the EU decides on that. Out of the EU we will be free to decide ourselves where best to spend that money including the extra £8.5billion that would have gone into the pockets of our european neighbours. So until we actually leave the EU they are legally obliged to continue to pay the UK whatever grants and subsidies are already in place all the while we are still contributing as we are also legally obliged to do so. Once we leave we can then decide on which of those previously funded EU grants and subsidies we will continue to fund with the £19billion (or whatever the figure is at that point). I don't see any of that as a disaster.

Bold Seagull · Jun 27, 2016

Thunder Bolt said:
I have a friend in Shoreham, who is French, married a British man, who has lived here for a number of years. She says she now feels unwelcome here.

It's not about racism though...

brightn'ove · Jun 27, 2016

The sad thing is there will be a lot of people thinking that they have 'voted' foreigners out of the country.

Can't see anything but an increase in xenophobic/racist incidents in the coming years.

https://twitter.com/PostRefRacism

Titanic · Jun 27, 2016

vegster said:
Yes. And it had only taken since 2007 to get back to that level.

It has been above 6000 since January 2013.

East Preston Gull · Jun 27, 2016

Bold Seagull said:
Lovely Polish lady I know whose kid is at a nursery in Hasting, twice shouted out by strangers over the weekend to 'go home'.

I fear this is happening around the country. Disgrace if it is.

I have been on building sites around Reigate in the run up to the referendum and many of the Polish, Lithuanian and Romanians fully understand the situation, many of them agree with our anti EU stance. They admit they come here for the higher wages, some send the money home, others want to settle here. Even builders can have serious conversations about it.
The funny thing is many Polish guys who have settled here are getting pissed off with the Hungarians and Romanians undercutting them.

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Blue Valkyrie · Jun 27, 2016

Bold Seagull said:
Lovely Polish lady I know whose kid is at a nursery in Hasting, twice shouted out by strangers over the weekend to 'go home'.

I fear this is happening around the country. Disgrace if it is.

Thunder Bolt said:
I have a friend in Shoreham, who is French, married a British man, who has lived here for a number of years. She says she now feels unwelcome here.

We need an end to Project Hate.

Titanic · Jun 27, 2016

FTSE250 was 12000 in 2008, 6000 in 2009 and has climbed steadily since then. Now stands at 15,500, which again is in line with value in February 2016. #dontpanic

CHAPPERS · Jun 27, 2016

Jim in the West said:
The EU is at the heart of moves which the OECD is making to address "profit shifting". We are part of this, but it's a global issue - you can't act alone for obvious reasons. HMRC is putting in train changes to UK tax legislation which reflect the OECD guidelines. Whether we're in the EU or not won't make any difference.

Thought so! Thanks.

Neville's Breakfast · Jun 27, 2016

Thunder Bolt said:
I have a friend in Shoreham, who is French, married a British man, who has lived here for a number of years. She says she now feels unwelcome here.

discrimination is against the law. Police will investigate hate crime. What we cant do is make Government policy in fear of the reaction of criminal elements within society. I hope your friend is happier when the dust settles.

Triggaaar · Jun 27, 2016

KZNSeagull said:
Nicola Sturgeon seems to be the only one coming up with plans and ideas at the moment.

I head this on the news - what exactly is her plan? To get Scotland out of the UK? We need a plan for a new agreement between the UK and the EU, what's her plan for that?

Cowfold Seagull said:
I wonder if you will still be this cocky in a couple of years time?

Let's hope not eh - let's hope our economy crashes and our country turns to shit, then you can shout 'I told you so' to his stupid smug face.

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