Former this, ex-that. Grandees......do you mean has-beens? .
A load of dusty old-duffers support leaving the EU; now there's a surprise.
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Former this, ex-that. Grandees......do you mean has-beens? .
A load of dusty old-duffers support leaving the EU; now there's a surprise.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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We may do, but that veto would have existed for all other countries that have joined the EU, and we've never rolled it out.
It is, in any event, British foreign policy to have Turkey in the EU.........the British govt of all flavours have advocated this step quietly domestically despite knowing full well that the electorate would be hostile to such a move.
Why do you think that is?
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Feels like we are being treated like sheep, the EU chucking treats at our governments to make sure we are put firmly in our pen,because once this gate is closed, that's it, no more referendums, we have then given the EU the nod to do what they like from this point forward. Vote Leave on June 23rd.
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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What they are arguing (as people who have been closely involved with, and I would guess personally benefited from, a massively damaging deregulation of the financial services sector in the UK and globally) is that the EU is the most likely route by which effective regulation is actually going to be imposed. Of all the arguments for brexit i have read, this is the one most likely to push me in the opposite direction!
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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Uncertainty in business (and life) is the one certainty that always exists.
Businesses that are not able to manage uncertainty and its correspondent risks will struggle to deal with Brexit or any matters.
Many companies at the moment are preparing for the possible consequences of an Italian banking crisis, with its causes and other underlying problems a direct consequence of the euro and now the EU's state aid rules.
Uncertainties like this and falling demand in China make the problems associated with Brexit look like a tea party.
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
It's all well and good the treasury saying i/we will be £4300/year worse off in 2030......but if we stay in the EU how much WORSE of will i/we be wit 80 million people in the country? I don't expect us to be better off that's for sure..... maybe the real cost could be worse off to the tune of (speculation)£2500/year? with this in mind i would rather be OUT.
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
IN.
Obviously.
We'll be far worse off if we LEAVE. It's mainly the far right that are supportin LEAVE. Saville would have voted LEAVE. Probably.
Migrants have nothing to do with it all anyway. If we LEAVE we'll turn into a TINPOT country, little diversity, little happiness, controlled by those who have only their wallets at heart. I still haven't heard a decent arguement to leave.
Obviously.
We'll be far worse off if we LEAVE. It's mainly the far right that are supportin LEAVE. Saville would have voted LEAVE. Probably.
Migrants have nothing to do with it all anyway. If we LEAVE we'll turn into a TINPOT country, little diversity, little happiness, controlled by those who have only their wallets at heart. I still haven't heard a decent arguement to leave.
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
Some would argue we are already there
pastafarian
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just when you thought no one could be more uneducated on EU issues than gregbrighton
I know it beggars belief doesn't it.
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
Imagine Brighton,Hove growing by it's same size each year for the next 20 years,that's the price of staying in the EU...
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
If we were voting to join the EU right now what would people's answer be? I know it's hard to answer for we would not know from where we are coming,but we would know what we would be joining and again for that reason...i am OUT.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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In fairness though, you're the one that posted that extraordinary visceral scream a couple of pages ago that blamed the EU for everything from the de-industrialisation of the UK to the fact that people are no longer buying Morris cars.
So are you saying that the UK was not like that in 1965. Obviously you know better.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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But what the UK was like in 1965 is not the issue - the issue is whether the EU is to blame for the changes since then. You seem to hold Brussels responsible for everything that has changed for the worse, from the fact that the Germans make our cars and the French make our trains to the de-industrialisation of western society and widespread youth unemployment. I understand the appeal of blaming the foreigner for everything we have done wrong, but I think it is inaccurate and I don't think it is doing us any favours.
As a nation I'd like us to be outward-looking, confident and kind. You would like the same I expect but unfortunately the spirit of Brexit so often reminds me of the furious teenager, convinced the outside world is ganging up on him.
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
Albumen
Don't wait for me!
"As a nation I'd like us to be outward-looking, confident and kind."........ yes, and making our own laws, our own decisions and trading with who we want to...... not being run and dictated to by an un elected body who run a money pit that is not accountable to us.
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
You mean confident enough to set sail again? across a choppy atlantic? rather than taking the nice easy option of popping on a train to France.
Bladders
Twats everywhere
You mean the generation who've been fooled and lied to one too many times before.
The penny has dropped for them, you're not quite there yet at your tender age.