Gregory2Smith1
J'les aurai!
yes,exactly this,not even Putin would step foot in a NATO country,he's crazy,but not stupid
doesn't help the Ukranians sadly,who will be sold down the river
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Cold War 2
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yes,exactly this,not even Putin would step foot in a NATO country,he's crazy,but not stupid
doesn't help the Ukranians sadly,who will be sold down the river
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Oh he would.
He's strategically inept, but tactically brilliant. And this makes him very dangerous.
beorhthelm
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no one is going to nuke anyone. it serves no purpose to either side. likewise, Putin isnt likly to start on Estonia and Latvia because they are in NATO and that would invoke a treaty obligation on everyone else to pile in. he has only gone into Ukraine because a) theres a genuine feeling that its part of a greater Russia and b) they arent in NATO or EU and he wants to stir it up so that they dont become so.
Gregory2Smith1
J'les aurai!
that's pretty much the long and short of it
They were bombers not fighter aircraft.
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This is very true, allot of the worlds tin pot tyrants were small, Napoleon springs to mind, as you said Putin, Sarckozy but Blair i think was over 5'11"?
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
3 of Putin's overall aims presently are
1 - Fall of NATO
2 - Breakup of the EU
3 - Stopping fracking, in order to raise the Gas price.
He influence ( 3 ), and to a certain extent ( 2 ), by Europe wide funding of relevant organisations.
In order to achieve ( 1 ), he needs to be bold, and it's a risk / reward balance.
Send a few little green men into Estonia, deny everything and step back and see what happens. If article 5 is declared, and NATO doesn't respond then NATO is pretty much finished. If NATO does respond, then he can shrink away denying everything. Low risk / high potential reward for him.
http://www.interpretermag.com/refusing-to-die-for-narva-would-be-end-of-nato-and-the-west-piontkovsky-says/
1 - Fall of NATO
2 - Breakup of the EU
3 - Stopping fracking, in order to raise the Gas price.
He influence ( 3 ), and to a certain extent ( 2 ), by Europe wide funding of relevant organisations.
In order to achieve ( 1 ), he needs to be bold, and it's a risk / reward balance.
Send a few little green men into Estonia, deny everything and step back and see what happens. If article 5 is declared, and NATO doesn't respond then NATO is pretty much finished. If NATO does respond, then he can shrink away denying everything. Low risk / high potential reward for him.
http://www.interpretermag.com/refusing-to-die-for-narva-would-be-end-of-nato-and-the-west-piontkovsky-says/
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GreersElbow
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I think the sanctions have been working, as Putin has been under pressure from the oligarchs from within his inner circle. Though largely, the average Russian is backing him. Makes for a difficult situation. China has injected much needed cash into the economy, though I can't imagine that lasting too long. The question now is what will Russia do when the money runs out. There may not be enough to fund the war, and China won't back a war as they've got interests in Ukraine and Russia which would see loses in their investments. Particularly the energy market...
That said, negotiations won't work as Putin holds the vast majority of the power.
melias shoes
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- Oct 14, 2010
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Your worried about a cold war? I'm more worried about actual war.
melias shoes
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- Oct 14, 2010
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Russian air force planes have been 'straying' into our airspace far more often than you think. It's nothing new and has been going on years.
TomandJerry
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- Oct 1, 2013
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Norway’s defence minister has said her country’s armed forces will be restructured so they can respond faster to what she called increased Russian aggression.
Ine Eriksen Soreide said that Russia had recently re-opened military bases in its far north that had been shut down after the cold war, and that there had also been an increase in flights by Russian warplanes close to Norwegian airspace.
Ine Eriksen Soreide said that Russia had recently re-opened military bases in its far north that had been shut down after the cold war, and that there had also been an increase in flights by Russian warplanes close to Norwegian airspace.
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And to think the defence experts think we are fighting a different war these days, the Ruskies never lost interest in being a super power, they've just convinced the West that they have whilst re building. We need to expedite Trident replacement fast!
vegster
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- May 5, 2008
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Looks like Mr Putin has re-focused on home issues after trying to stop the crisis in eastern Ukraine.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31669061
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31669061
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Sir John Sawers, ex-MI6 chief, warns of Russia 'danger'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31669195
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31669195
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
Well Putin hasn't been seen in public for a week now, and uncharacteristically cancelled some important international meetings with no reason given.
Pictures released of him supposedly taken this week have been shown to be actually taken last week or before.
What skullduggery is happening in the Kremlin ?
Pictures released of him supposedly taken this week have been shown to be actually taken last week or before.
What skullduggery is happening in the Kremlin ?
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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As we speak he is probably stripped to the waist personally beating out a confession or two over the shooting of Boris Nemtsov.
Czechmate
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And there is a rush of Russian money going into our banks .