7-1 Why the hell can't England do that?

Goldstone Rapper said:

The recent FA proposals have got nothing to do with improving the English national team and everything with exercising the power of the Premier League clubs by turning the lower leagues into their plaything. You've simply fallen for the spin that it will help the England team.

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Mo Gosfield said:

The Germans throughout history have been, first and foremost, masters of planning and preparation and ruthlessly efficient in everything they do. They rebuilt themselves with lightning speed post 1945 and a full recovery was underway post 1918 until that was scuppered by the USA financial crash which had devastating effects on their economy.
They build things to last. Its called ' long-termism ' The ruling Nazi party were instrumental in creating the autobahn road system throughout the country. They saw the need for moving goods and sevices quickly and indeed, military hardware as well.
They constructed these roads to a depth far in excess of the UK's road building criteria, to ensure they would last and never exceeded a certain gradient percentage to ensure that heavier goods vehicles weren't slowed by long uphill climbs. What happens in this country? Our roads are constantly under repair and heavy goods vehicles chugging slowly up lengthy inclines on dual carriageways and motorways cause problems. We repair roads in this country as cheaply as possible and we keep having to do it over and over again.
What the hell has this got to do with football you might ask? Well, it demonstrates the difference in attitude between the two countries. With our football, its always the quick fix. No long term planning. Greg Dyke has laid down his blueprint but until the right structure is in place, its just words on paper. As previous posters have said, when the Germans are struggling ( which isn't very often ) they put the right framework in place to ensure future success. They start at the bottom and work up. They put the right ethos in place, so they all think alike and are united. It is a clear plan so the fans can see it and are prepared to be patient. They get the right men in charge, with talent and foresight. They master the basics and then wait for everything else to slot into place.
In this country, we have two major problems.
1) The FA. Our governing body who have no clear strategy other than paying for Wembley Stadium. This was a build that was originally budgetted for 250-300 million and ended up costing 750 million...." Oh, it was sharp rises in costs of raw materials "...they argued....codswallop...it was back-handers, theft, fraud and corruption that stumped up the cost to this ridiculous level. They were culpable in this and have put a millstone round the necks of English football for years. They are only bothered about raising enough revenue to pay for their misdemeanours. Just qualifying for final tournaments is enough for them. The revenue takes care of itself then. They are not that bothered about progressing...quarters would be good...keep the fans happy...lower expectations...second best acceptable.
2) The Premier League. Overburdened with overpaid, overseas players with just a sprinkling of home-grown talent. Such is the extent of non-English talent that they are carried by the rest. It is argued that they learn from having good players around them but when you see them exposed, wearing their national shirt, you suddenly realise that they aren't learning. They can't even carry out the basics, under pressure. i.e passing to the same colour shirt and controlling the ball. They are not being forced to take enough responsiblity at club level and therefore cannot take it at international level.
We are inherently lazier than the Germans in planning and preparation. We don't look and learn at other sports in this country that have got it right. Rowing ( Since they appointed Jurgen Grobbler...best coach in the world.) the sport has gone from strength to strength and now we expect to win. Same with cycling and to some extent, the same in Rugby Union under Clive Woodward, where he went back to basics and left no stone unturned in preparation. Football thinks its preparing for the future but it isn't until there is a complete change in mindset. Some strong decisions have to be taken and sadly, I don't think much will change. The complete endorsement of Roy Hodgson after our worst World Cup results for 56 years says a lot.
In the meantime, the Germans will carry on planning and preparing and winning, whilst we carry on scratching our heads and saying..." why can't we be like them? "

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sam86 said:

Would you rather...

Neuer or Hart?
Lahm or Johnson?
Hummels or Cahill?
Mertesacker or Jagielka?
Boateng or Baines?
Schweinsteiger or Gerrard?
Khedira or Henderson?
Kroos or Lallana?
Schürrle or Sterling?
Özil or Welbeck?
Müller or Rooney?
Klose or Sturridge?

Germanys players ARE much better than ours.

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Mo Gosfield said:

The Germans throughout history have been, first and foremost, masters of planning and preparation and ruthlessly efficient in everything they do. They rebuilt themselves with lightning speed post 1945 and a full recovery was underway post 1918 until that was scuppered by the USA financial crash which had devastating effects on their economy. First and foremost they have been an army with a state! As for rebuilding after WWI, the Weimar republic was certainly something to write home about, if you had enough a big enough wheel barrow for the deutsche marks to buy the pen and paper!
They build things to last. Its called ' long-termism ' The ruling Nazi party were instrumental in creating the autobahn road system throughout the country. They saw the need for moving goods and sevices quickly and indeed, military hardware as well.
They constructed these roads to a depth far in excess of the UK's road building criteria, to ensure they would last and never exceeded a certain gradient percentage to ensure that heavier goods vehicles weren't slowed by long uphill climbs. What happens in this country? Our roads are constantly under repair and heavy goods vehicles chugging slowly up lengthy inclines on dual carriageways and motorways cause problems. We repair roads in this country as cheaply as possible and we keep having to do it over and over again.
What the hell has this got to do with football you might ask? Well, it demonstrates the difference in attitude between the two countries. With our football, its always the quick fix. No long term planning. Greg Dyke has laid down his blueprint but until the right structure is in place, its just words on paper. As previous posters have said, when the Germans are struggling ( which isn't very often ) they put the right framework in place to ensure future success. They start at the bottom and work up. They put the right ethos in place, so they all think alike and are united. It is a clear plan so the fans can see it and are prepared to be patient. They get the right men in charge, with talent and foresight. They master the basics and then wait for everything else to slot into place.
In this country, we have two major problems.
1) The FA. Our governing body who have no clear strategy other than paying for Wembley Stadium. This was a build that was originally budgetted for 250-300 million and ended up costing 750 million...." Oh, it was sharp rises in costs of raw materials "...they argued....codswallop...it was back-handers, theft, fraud and corruption that stumped up the cost to this ridiculous level. They were culpable in this and have put a millstone round the necks of English football for years. They are only bothered about raising enough revenue to pay for their misdemeanours. Just qualifying for final tournaments is enough for them. The revenue takes care of itself then. They are not that bothered about progressing...quarters would be good...keep the fans happy...lower expectations...second best acceptable.
2) The Premier League. Overburdened with overpaid, overseas players with just a sprinkling of home-grown talent. Such is the extent of non-English talent that they are carried by the rest. It is argued that they learn from having good players around them but when you see them exposed, wearing their national shirt, you suddenly realise that they aren't learning. They can't even carry out the basics, under pressure. i.e passing to the same colour shirt and controlling the ball. They are not being forced to take enough responsiblity at club level and therefore cannot take it at international level.
We are inherently lazier than the Germans in planning and preparation. We don't look and learn at other sports in this country that have got it right. Rowing ( Since they appointed Jurgen Grobbler...best coach in the world.) the sport has gone from strength to strength and now we expect to win. Same with cycling and to some extent, the same in Rugby Union under Clive Woodward, where he went back to basics and left no stone unturned in preparation. Football thinks its preparing for the future but it isn't until there is a complete change in mindset. Some strong decisions have to be taken and sadly, I don't think much will change. The complete endorsement of Roy Hodgson after our worst World Cup results for 56 years says a lot.
In the meantime, the Germans will carry on planning and preparing and winning, whilst we carry on scratching our heads and saying..." why can't we be like them? "

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Leekbrookgull said:

Drew,why the facepalm ? Can you seriously argue against this ?

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