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Re 22, i was sitting in the stand above that incident and that steward attempted to do the same hand restraint when there was a police officer standing next to him. In both incidents his actions were far from proportionate with the threat posed. The guy clearly regards himself as some kind of...

Yes, but what happened between pictures 9 and 10 that justified the steward restraining a guy who was already being led off peacefully by two stewards, one of whom was a response steward and who would presumably be trained in the same techniques as the steward who eventually restrained the guy...

Exactly. As I have said before it was an individual who saw his opportunity to impress his fellow stewards with a technique he learnt on a training course. High fives said it all. That steward didn't even need to get involved since the guy was already being led away by two stewards, one of whom...

You forget the new Steward Air Division being introduced next season to 'encourage' H Block to sit down.

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433, my comments were never levelled at stewards at Withdean in general, just this particular steward's actions in one incident. I certianly appreciate the fantastic work you do in difficult circumstances. Anyway i doubt we will ever agree on steward's restraining fans so i guess we'll just have...

So why did response stewards closer to the incident judge the two stewards who were delaing with the lad as doing a perfectly acceptable job and not intervene themselves. The reality of the situation is a response steward saw an opportunity to use a technique he has learnt and impress his peers...

It is not my use of it, that is the legal definition of common assault. Of course no one would ever be convicted for high fiving a friend, although that was the way the steward in question chose to celebrate his restraint, and other factors are indeed taken into account. However, running 20...

Did the steward intentionally or recklessly apply force? Yes. Was the force reasonable? Subjective, but running 20 yards to restrain an individual who was walking off peacefully accompanied by two other stewards with police no more than 20 meters away does not strike me as reasonable.

Clearly stewards do not go on SAS training courses but the argument is still a good one. Whilst an appropriate and comprehensive training course is enough for dealing with school-age children, it is not for response stewards who are expected to deal with adults of all description in an...

Common Assault can be satisfied either when (1) The individual causes the victim to apprehend immeidate and unlawful violence, or (2) When an individual intentionally or recklessly applies force.

All games a categorised either A, B, or C depending on how volatile the club and emergency services believe the situation could become. Do you seriously believe a football club would be allowed to have 6000 people in attendance and have one football liason officer. Even for a category C game...

Serving police officer...

Football matches are never police free. By law, there must always be a unit of police at the ground, in the event of an arrest or other major event, just as there is always an ambulance team and a senior fire officer.

I have no issue with stewards stewarding but if this guy was a known troblemaker why was it left to a response steward who, with all due respect, has about 10% of the training, ability to make decisions, and powers, of a full-time police officer. It just leads to dangerous situations. If, for...

The football club is indeed responsible for enforcing the rules, however, this does not give a steward the right to run 20 yards to restrain someone who was walking off quite peacefully under the supervision of two other stewards. The police are there to prevent any criminal offences being...

I think the point is the steward who attempted to restrain the fan was acting beyond his powers. If they suspected he was violent and needed to be restrained in that way the only indivdiuals who should be involed were the police. Totaly unnecessary.

The issue is not with the rugby tackle, rather the behaviour of the response steward who took it upon himself to steam in and assault a fan who, after being caught, was clearly prepared to walk off peacefully. The same steward then saw fit to give simmilar treatment to a fan who was merely...

Yes the fan committed an offence by running on the pitch and there is no problem with the lad being rugby tackled because as others have said if he had been allowed to remain on the pitch others would have joined in. However, his treatment after being detained was atrocious and bordered on...