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    Europe: In or Out

    If you have made your decision then it's unlikely anything will sway that now or up to June. However, your deciding factors of stability and little change by staying in simply does not hold water. Stability in today's world is subject to some factors that the EU can control, and some they...
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    Europe: In or Out

    No, you are wrong. British people previously took low skilled jobs, we are not genetically now predisposed to avoid it. The question here is that in many cases there is not a fair wage. If you don't have a problem that's fine but then I suspect you are not fighting for a decent wage or...
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    Europe: In or Out

    No I am not, I am suggesting that we apply a control on those seeking to work in this country. Most countries around the world manage their labour market via working visas............those who have skills we need or have already secured jobs are welcome. Those who don't won't be able to stay...
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    Europe: In or Out

    That's fine...........so surely it would be even better to allow the premiership footballers, French hedge fund managers and other assorted wealthy types to come unhindered, and then bin off the millions of unskilled and/or low skilled foreign Herberts that are clearly a drain on the UK...
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    Europe: In or Out

    The first sentence is proposterous whether true or not................wtf is the NHS doing advertising for nurses in Poland?
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    Europe: In or Out

    Posts like this are symptomatic of why these debates descend to childish name-calling and trading insults. Now wait for it…………………there are profoundly LEFT WING political reasons for leaving the EU. http://tuaeu.co.uk/?page_id=727...
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    Europe: In or Out

    This financial benefit from migrants narrative is tiresome because it's patently not true. If immigratation equals wealth then why does the most capitalist country in the world, which was built on immigratation has strict immigration controls? Once anyone can just go there and work then you...
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    Europe: In or Out

    Check out Sweden...............no wonder some are a bit grabby. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35444173
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    Europe: In or Out

    No, I am highlighting the savage consequences of EU trade sanctions on Russia for farmers particularly in eastern europe and contrasting it with the relationship the ESA has with Russia. As the ESA's funding is only from the EU and the national governments in Europe (note taxpayers are stung...
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    Europe: In or Out

    That's OK GT, its good we are not cloned on our views! I will get to the nub of why this whole episode of the ESA/Russia and the EU vexes me. I am not surprised if Russia reacts agressively to events precipitated by the West, the Ukraine unrest is a case in point (Russia's front yard) which...
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    Europe: In or Out

    Putin is defending his country's interests as I would expect him too. I am not defending him or Russia, however the narrative of Russia and bad the west good doesnt sit right either. The EU has formented the trouble in Ukraine, and continues to antagonise Russia as a consequence of its actions...
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    Europe: In or Out

    Then stop fretting about the nasty Russians............we are collaborating.
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    Europe: In or Out

    To you maybe. I can understand that cultural exchange would be a way of thawing tension, as the Bolshoi was and so would the exchange of museum artifacts etc. This can be dealt with without much governmental oversight. The point about the ESA/Russian collaboration is it must be costing EU...
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    Europe: In or Out

    Erm, I think it was........... The debate arose from my original point relating to how is it that the EU applies strict trade sanctions on Russia, yet has one of its institutional arms in collaboration with Russia on space? This must involve EU money being paid to Russia..............I dont...
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    Europe: In or Out

    We have sanctions on Russia because of the EU, this is creating problems in the EU, so why is space exploraton an exception?
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    Europe: In or Out

    So, back to my original point, all these EU states are applying sanctions on Russia. So how is it that we have sanctions (essentially a trade war with Russia), yet the EU is willing to engage in space exploration with Russia. No I am assumong the Russians didnt let Tim Peake go for a ride on...
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    Europe: In or Out

    You are out on a limb here my son................ http://www.esa.int/About_Us/Welcome_to_ESA/ESA_and_the_EU The EU (via the unelected Commission) and ESA have been in partnership since 2004, the EU are the biggest funders, (that's money from EU taxpayers), plus then national states also fund...
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    Europe: In or Out

    If the EU commission and EU taxpayers have nothing to do with the ESA then I am wrong and you are right? Let me know.........
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    Europe: In or Out

    Facinating stuff here, so a few points, there could have been many more................interested in your views. What is the "political authority of the EU"? How was it derived? Who has been democratically elected to execute this "political authority"? Who has voted for Serbia and Moldova...
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    Europe: In or Out

    Big banks dont want a lot of stuff but sh*t happens...........just because the BBC doesn't report on the macro challenges that the euro faces just to survive at the moment, doesnt mean they are not going to happen...
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