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to be honest ive not listened much to either side on this matter, after the admissions on the day of the commander on the ground that they shot down a plane. pretty obvious to me both sides are spinning it up to their own end. i would certainly view Russian media less trustworthy as it is less...

yes, more mis-informtation and misdirection from the Russians. funny that, especially when they are calling out the US on satellite images but dont produce anything themselves, except press releases.

thats cute. firstly are you going to blindly accept as absolute gospel the word of a militia? i mean theres nothing to discredit her but she's hardly an indepedent witness. secondly to the claim of using aircraft as shields, doesnt that create a problem for those that claim the rebels dont...

why do you focus on the audio, when there were numerous postings on forums, twitter and crucially Russian news media with the same story, before the audio came to light. there was a rebel commander directly claiming "another cargo plane" shot down in one source (tweet?), which also gives us the...

nice selective quote, missing the context. i was not applying that reasoning carte blanche, it was related directly to the example in hand. pray tell what motive you think there is for a rebel commander to claim the shooting down of a plane when they have not done so. or are you going to...

i was referring to the reporting from those journalist that dingodan loves to keep citing, i don't see you claiming that "a source" in the US military has told you there's evidence it was the Ukrainians. But then dingodan would believe it if they said USS Eldridge popped up in the skies above...

why not? on the one hand there was (and still is remaining) first hand, live reports of an event by those who did it. on the other you have second or third hand unattributed sources a week later saying something to the contrary. either you are saying those original claims - gloats - are fake...

did they fake this one too? there was at least half a dozen pages, tweets that were removed once they realised the cock up. one thing this story is doing is flushing out all the anti-establishment journalists who are against anything US/west. we know the rebels shot down the plane because...

not one to take seriously from that source. seriously, are some still not going to acknowledge and accept that rebels themselves, in Russian media, claimed they shot down a plane at the time and location?

you can keep saying that the US caused the coup, its doesnt make it true. theres an argument that the US assisted, to some degree, in supporting some of those involved in the uprising, but you cannot say that the Ukrainians themselves didnt rise up against an unpopular president who was...

i'm sure the UN would be fascinated to know they have forces in Poland. you clearly missed the news of several month ago when they did this. The Russians didnt even hide it, broadcasting to the world they were engaging in maneuvers and promising to back the Russians ethnic groups in Crimea...

apart from the arms you note, the suspicious appearance of un-indentifable troops, the massing of Russian divisions on the border, the Russian passports to anyone who asked, and general public backing of the ethnic Russians, i'm sure he doesn't have much control or influence.

common sence isnt that common and seldom makes much sence. to you its obvious in retrospect, to airlines that follow civil aviation guidelines its not. even after the event there were still planes flying that route, and on flightradar24 you could see a few going over that area on Friday...

not really. the same outlet that spun the story retracted it, saying Putins plane doesnt fly over Ukraine (pretty obvious reasons). the original story is unattributed and the time difference is over half an hour, and while the planes are considered to look similar one has 4 engines and the...

it seems odd if you dont consider the debris is spread over a wide area, so everything hasnt been in one large fireball. explosions fling material far and wide, why not passports? people have collected some and those unsinged are likly to survive intact. or you can believe that this was...

what do you expect to happen? a massive fireball obliterating everything? you watch too many films, Hybrid-x. the russian media is reporting exactly the same btw, expect those stories about a rebels hitting cargo plane, rapidly removed. just what do you think happened to the plane Hybird-x...

i reckon it'll be the opposite, Russia will back off in the Ukraine and the rebels will be left to their own devices, and probably give in.

Itar Tass, a russian news agency, still has a piece up that the "Donetsk People’s Republic" downs a plane at Torez. pretty clear fvck up by the rebels. at the very least it shows they had tools and where using them at the time.