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Let's assume for a moment that there were Ukraine Fighters using MH17 as a shield and you are the person with his finger on the trigger of the Missile system on the ground. Do you A) Decide that launching the missile would be a bad idea. B) Decide that it's a risk worth taking to pull the...

But they did eventually give the Flight Data Recorders back, which showed nothing other than a sudden catastrophic failure, which these will. And I believe the ones from KAL were proven to be not tampered with.

This.

The telling fact here is Putin trying to excuse the conflict in Ukraine.

Blimey, never heard of that one before. I stand very much corrected.

Please could you provide an example of America, or for that matter anyone other than Russia ever having shot a civilian airliner down. Not trying to be argumentative here, genuinely don't remember it ever happening, especially not like the common event your post paints it to be.

I think the footage aired this morning of one of these BUK systems being removed from the area with one of the 4 missiles missing could be damning if it is found to be genuine.

Well, whoever it was you or somebody else, got totally mullered by martyn20

Well they would say that wouldn't they. I'm pretty sure, 99% sure, it was the Rebels, but I certainly aint going to believe anything either side says in the next few days.

Ah, ok.

Does anyone really know yet what sort of missile brought it down?

IIRC, the black boxes should only be opened by Boeing, so if they have been opened then someone is trying to hide something. Or I may have watched too many Air Crash Investigations on Sky.

Sums it up better than me calling him a ****wit I think.

Are you going to post the Russian Colonel talking on twitter about bringing down another plane, bird fall etc 5 minutes after the plane vanished from radar? Or does that not fit your agenda?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Get help mate, seriously. XX

I am genuinely concerned that people like Hybrid, and it is Hybrid by the way, are allowed to pedal their paranoia to us. sigh.

There is NO official story you complete and utter ****wit. Nobody has said anything yet, but you have already decided. I bet your sites are already at near meltdown.

The Tin Foil Hatters have arrived. Sigh.