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Hello Mustafa, Just looked again -you are right in that you did not describe the supporters of UKIp as far right -someone else did, so apologies on that score -only! You did, however, write: The USA in general is just a horrible nation.

You may not like this, but OH yes you did! The contradiction in your last para would seem to be further evidence! You said that America is a despicable country - only now are you attempting to draw a distinction between the people and the government, as if somehow they are separate entities...

You are certainly right in that the same old arguments are brought out time and time again. I think we would certainly find more agreement if we all met face to face over a beer at the Amex before a match, (yes, I know!!) instead of the relative anonymity afforded by the Internet. And, yes, the...

I have followed the debate intently and read everything. I like to read all shades of opinion, and that is the point, my friend; we air our opinions. It is when you arrogantly decide that your opinion is fact, (and, of course others could not possibly be so)when a challenge needs to be made...

I assume that this is a joke? How do you get to say that what you have written is fact? Surely that is your opinion? Where is the evidence, to back up a fact, don't forget, that he is a fraud of the highest order?

I see you avoided the question totally, but then that would have conflicted with the bias to admit that a certain Mr Brand might just have let the side down. I can't help but feeling that there is an element of hypocrisy in what you write; you espouse the idea of fairness and tolerance, yet are...

What about arrogant posters who come up with very simplistic comments about large groups of people. I suppose that they rarely see how arrogant they are, by the same token.

Wasn't he the one who had to be told to be quiet and not shout down the two women last night. Wasn't he the one pontificating about the trivia of politics and personalised attacks at the start and then starts calling his adversary names? With the greatest respect to the two gentlemen, I really...

Ok many thanks I will check. What they say is surely in line with other parties, and, I would estimate, what most people feel.

Originally Posted by Mellor 3 Ward 4 View Post I won't be voting UKIP, but I have to agree with that. On last night's programme, the Labour MP admitted that in Government they had make huge mistakes regarding immigration, and the numbers of Eastern Europeans that they anticipated coming to...

Apologies. I meant the sentence about 13,000 to 700,000 not what you are referring to. I accept what you say, of course, and most people presumably would do the same, notably look for facts, logic etc etc. I wonder how many people actually go a variety of sources for their info, rather than just...

With all respect, you come over as a fanatic that is seemingly capable of only banging on about taxes. Immigration is not the only talking point for folk in this country -it just happens to be what this thread has evolved into. Perhaps it is just that people don't really care about what taxes...

Thanks for your reply. You are right in that it did focus on EU immigration, and that is only half the story, as you well know. I think non EU immigration worries people more, rightly or wrongly, due to the fact that they are less likely to want to integrate. They come from poorer countries and...

Many thanks again. Bang on, in my view, I can not disagree with this at all. I don't mean to be pompous -honestly -but you are at your best when you avoid sweeping statements.

You don't seriously think that there is an inner ring of plotters sitting in a dark corner avoiding their taxes and agreeing to blame immigrants, do you? Your first sentence is really quite absurd - there is no obvious direct link, other than you want to see one, as it coincides with your bias...

Originally Posted by sahel View Post I thought the best points made last night were 1. Why do we go on and on about immigration. Why weren't we discussing tax evasion by individuals and companies which is much more important and salient 2. It is not immigrants that cause stresses and...

Thanks for your response. I am not disagreeing with your view that most people would not choose to change their view after debate on here, and I am sure you are right. Just not sure why you are even mentioning this, as I have not questioned that. It is quite possible to have a set view but NOT...

I take your point that the economic crisis was not caused by immigration as such, though the stresses and strains on schools and hospitals in certain areas will be made worse if a struggling economy is unable to provide extra resources to combat a surge in population. I am sure that there are...