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And what exactly do you imply with that?

Guys! Guys! Look at us! Squabbling! Bickering, like children. What's happened to us? We never used to be like this! Sorry couldn't resist.

I can only speak for myself and people I know who will be voting UKIP (and there are a lot of them), and I wouldn't consider any of them racists.

Great thanks.

Good post, but do you think that without UKIP and Farage that both Milliband and Cameron would have publicly stated that we need to get more control on immigration in this country?

Ok so when you say substantial what kind of % would you put on that? of the 40000 people who have just voted for UKIP in the by elections how many are racist? half? more?

Come on a simple yes or no will do.

Like I said, if I decide to vote UKIP then do I become a racist by association?

But do you believe that if you vote UKIP that you become a racist by default?

Yes you're agenda that you believe that UKIP is racist, you know that is why here previous was mentioned.

Why don't that fit in to you're agenda.

Don't you think that might be in reply to the constant accusation that UKIP is a racist party for racist people?

They might not represent you're British values, but they do for other people, why not just accept that seeing as you believe in tolerance, openness and freedom? to shout them down with insults is rather contradicting you're own values.

You see as soon as you roll out the ' ukip are racist ' card you loss all credibility in any debate.

Good advise, and as you say it is wise to view news from a broad spectrum of outlets.

I really wish I could buy into the BBC being impartial, they excel at making great documentary's and make some amazing dramas, but as far as politics goes there is no way they report from a balanced impartial position in my view.

How do you come to that conclusion exactly?

What so you are trying to tell me that the BBC leans to the right in its views, Ha Ha classic.

No, but its funded by the public ( and receives funds from the EU ) and is suppose to remain impartial, do you see the BBC as neutral in its political bias? Because I don't.

[QUOTE=Dub So the daily hatchet jobs on the BBC about ukip are ok then? the Panorama that they did on Farage was the most biased piece of propaganda that I have ever seen, but because the BBC is seen as the great bastion that it is people believe all the slurs that they report.