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[Politics] Donald Trump 2024



Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,538
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
tedebear said:
Why on earth would Chris Mason of the BBC accept such a poison chalice...Just adding more fuel to my fire about the BBC and their lack of impartiality and behaviour some times like a Red Top rag....
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It doesn’t help when the government put their own people on the board. For the main part, the BBC is balanced ie HIGNFY stays, along with David Attenborough & Chris Packham, but current affairs and news is definitely controlled.
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
50,298
Faversham
nwgull said:
She's genuinely gone bonkers. The rationalising of her disastrous budget and the reasons why she only lasted 7 weeks as PM (effectively 5 due to period of national mourning) do not indicate a sound mind.
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If you're talking about Truss, she's gobbing off today against the well-trailed HMG bill (supported by Labour) to step up the attack on cigarette smoking. Truss thinks that if children want to smoke they should be allowed to smoke. Into the sea with her!
 


Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
50,298
Faversham
tedebear said:
It really is awful. Why so many news agencies still post to it, is such an interesting social study. Trump used twitter (before he created Truth Social) as a tool in his divide and conquer and "stick it to the man" rhetoric to great success...I kind of read twitter as a "this is the worst it can get" sort of side show, as it really shows peoples true colours...I just always have to resist posting, as many of the people on there will never ever change their mind.... which is soooo hard to debate against...
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I don't use it but my impression is that people with Opinions use twitter to steamroller the rest. The very notion of debate is not part of the game.

NSC was exactly the same that 20 years ago, with a small majority of thoughtful people (the residue of the class of 2003). Active curation is the only solution of social media.
 


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raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
5,686
Wiltshire
tedebear said:
It really is awful. Why so many news agencies still post to it, is such an interesting social study. Trump used twitter (before he created Truth Social) as a tool in his divide and conquer and "stick it to the man" rhetoric to great success...I kind of read twitter as a "this is the worst it can get" sort of side show, as it really shows peoples true colours...I just always have to resist posting, as many of the people on there will never ever change their mind.... which is soooo hard to debate against...
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Agreed! I rarely post there, and don't have any level of followers that mean my posts get read anyway 😂. I really will stop. One has to be either 100% invested in twitter posting to build a following (hopefully of good guys)...or forget it!
 


nicko31

nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
17,622
Gods country fortnightly
Thunder Bolt said:
It doesn’t help when the government put their own people on the board. For the main part, the BBC is balanced ie HIGNFY stays, along with David Attenborough & Chris Packham, but current affairs and news is definitely controlled.
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I really hope Labour backs the Beeb, the Tories are deliberately trying to hollow it out whilst using it as a propaganda tool forcing a lot of talent to depart.

We also need to back the world service and foreign language broadcasts properly. Despite the UK's declining influence in the world the Beeb is still highly respected and a great source of soft power overseas
 




Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,538
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
nicko31 said:
I really hope Labour backs the Beeb, the Tories are deliberately trying to hollow it out whilst using it as a propaganda tool forcing a lot of talent to depart.

We also need to back the world service and foreign language broadcasts properly. Despite the UK's declining influence in the world the Beeb is still highly respected and a great source of soft power overseas
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Definitely, and the World service is a lot more balanced than the UK news.

Twitter was tolerable if you blocked the bots but since Musk bought it, there's very little moderation. I have reported blatant racist posts only to be told they haven't breached 'regulations'.
There are still some posters worth following and some laugh out loud memes.


Going back to Trump, I wonder if he has had some medication to keep him from having a tantrum and being locked up for contempt of court, or it may simply, he hasn't got the concentration to stay awake.
 


bhafc99

bhafc99

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Oct 14, 2003
7,096
Dubai
Harry Wilson's tackle said:
I don't use it but my impression is that people with Opinions use twitter to steamroller the rest. The very notion of debate is not part of the game.

NSC was exactly the same that 20 years ago, with a small majority of thoughtful people (the residue of the class of 2003). Active curation is the only solution of social media.
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:wave::bigwave:
 


Zeberdi

Zeberdi

Brighton born & bred
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Oct 20, 2022
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raymondo said:
Agreed! I rarely post there, and don't have any level of followers that mean my posts get read anyway 😂. I really will stop. One has to be either 100% invested in twitter posting to build a following (hopefully of good guys)...or forget it!
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You also mustn’t have an original thought in your head but parrot the moral outrage of the populace if you want to be popular.

No one is interested in intelligent debate or nuance, it’s hard enough on internet forums to maintain non-polarised POVs - But under Musk, X has become the ideal platform for unmoderated toxicity, outraged soundbites and algo-driven echo chambers.
 








Triggaaar

Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
50,207
Goldstone
schmunk said:
Albeit, what's the source? Who is "Nate White"? A Google search only seems to point back to that article countlessly reposted. It doesn't really take away from the thrust of the words but does seem a little suspicious.
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I don't care if it's a pen name, it reads true
 












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Brian Fantana

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Oct 8, 2006
7,253
In the field
Thunder Bolt said:
Going back to Trump, I wonder if he has had some medication to keep him from having a tantrum and being locked up for contempt of court, or it may simply, he hasn't got the concentration to stay awake.
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If you're going off the tweeted image you posted from the courtroom, I'm presuming you realise that is heavily photoshopped and he's not actually in court asleep?! Apologies if I'm being whoosed here....
 


Triggaaar

Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
50,207
Goldstone
lasvegan said:
www.gingrich360.com

Newt Gingrich - The American People vs. Judicial Corruption

The left’s vicious hostility is so public, the American people have increasingly felt called upon to defend President Trump.
www.gingrich360.com www.gingrich360.com
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Have you considered that Trump might actually be a criminal? The people who will work with him tend to be criminals too.
The following people who work/worked for Trump during his presidency (inc his campaign) have been found guilty of crimes and sentenced to prison:

Trump's campaign chairman - Paul Manafort
Trump's campaign vice chariman - Rick Gates
Trump's Advisor and Campaign Aide - Roger Stone
Trump's White House National Security Advisor - Michael Flynn
Trump's White House advisor - Peter Navarro
Trump's campaign advisor - Grorge Papadopoulos
Trump Organization CFO - Allen Weisselberg
Trump's chief strategist - Steve Bannon

Trump's business was found guilty of tax fraud
Trump's lawyers Kenneth Cheseboro and Sidney Powell have plead guilty to election-related crimes

There have been plenty of questions of this thread that you've simply dodged. The truth is that your mind is closed and you have no interest in reality. You're like a religious zealot preaching Trump, but no one here believes anything you say.
 


tedebear

tedebear

Legal Alien
Jul 7, 2003
16,844
In my computer
nicko31 said:
I really hope Labour backs the Beeb, the Tories are deliberately trying to hollow it out whilst using it as a propaganda tool forcing a lot of talent to depart.

We also need to back the world service and foreign language broadcasts properly. Despite the UK's declining influence in the world the Beeb is still highly respected and a great source of soft power overseas
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Growing up in Australia we listening to the BBC World Service with awe and just knew what they were saying had to be fact. It was an amazing window into the world. It was held in very high esteem. The football scores always made us laugh though...
 


Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,538
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
Brian Fantana said:
If you're going off the tweeted image you posted from the courtroom, I'm presuming you realise that is heavily photoshopped and he's not actually in court asleep?! Apologies if I'm being whoosed here....
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A definite whoosh. Look up Cold War Steve and his images.

It is a documented fact that Trump slumped in his chair and his mouth fell open, so it is a fair guess that he dozed off.
 




Stato

Stato

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Dec 21, 2011
6,594
Triggaaar said:
Have you considered that Trump might actually be a criminal? The people who will work with him tend to be criminals too.
The following people who work/worked for Trump during his presidency (inc his campaign) have been found guilty of crimes and sentenced to prison:

Trump's campaign chairman - Paul Manafort
Trump's campaign vice chariman - Rick Gates
Trump's Advisor and Campaign Aide - Roger Stone
Trump's White House National Security Advisor - Michael Flynn
Trump's White House advisor - Peter Navarro
Trump's campaign advisor - Grorge Papadopoulos
Trump Organization CFO - Allen Weisselberg
Trump's chief strategist - Steve Bannon

Trump's business was found guilty of tax fraud
Trump's lawyers Kenneth Cheseboro and Sidney Powell have plead guilty to election-related crimes

There have been plenty of questions of this thread that you've simply dodged. The truth is that your mind is closed and you have no interest in reality. You're like a religious zealot preaching Trump, but no one here believes anything you say.
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You missed his lawyer, Michael Cohen. What was that campaign contribution related charge that he pleaded guilty to again? Something to do with 'Individual-1's presidential election campaign? https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/p...ral-court-eight-counts-including-criminal-tax

I wonder why Cohen chose to do that....?

The real puzzle is not why Trump is currently in court for this, but why it's taken four years from him leaving office to get him into court.

The argument that Trump is being politically prosecuted is utterly self defeating. If the aim of the prosecutions (from multiple agencies) were to stop him from running, then why hasn't the (pretend) author of 'The Art of the Deal' approached them and, I don't know... MADE A DEAL? Perhaps because there is no deal to be made with the law. To be honest my guess is that he would definitely, or already has offer(ed) to disappear to his golf courses if all charges could be dropped and no threat of bankruptcy or prison remained. Nixon, obviously a far cleverer negotiator, got that deal on weaker charges.

He's arguing that politics is trumping (no pun intended) the law, whilst running for office because politics is his only chance of Trumping (pun intended) the law.

A third of the country is so blinded by (genuinely deserved) hatred and mistrust of politics and institutions that they only have to be told that he'll burn everything down to be fully in support of his madness. Well, be careful what you wish for. Yes the modern US government means corruption and self interest and Washington and 'the Swamp' etc, but it also means schools, clean water, buildings not falling down, roads, bins being emptied, police, defence, veterans relief, social security, public healthcare, democracy, the rule of law, etc. etc. etc. and this stupid, greedy and stupid man is quite prepared to burn that all down too if it feathers his nest.
 




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