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Stat Brother

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Perhaps a good start would be telling us why you are so vested in a Trump presidency (to the extent that you are) when you are not living in the US or are American
Dear lord, the poster in question is only invested in one thing - getting under the skin of other posters.
Tbh they are doing such a phenomenal job it's hard not to be impressed.

Why is this so difficult to understand?
 




Stat Brother

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But why? For what purpose?
Shits and giggles.

Laughing their heads off as another 3 page essay is directed at them, which they have no intention of reading.
Just wait a couple of days then see how long it takes to bait another one.
 


chickens

Intending to survive this time of asset strippers
Oct 12, 2022
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I don’t believe anyone is running Trump, other than Trump.

You aren’t following the money. He’s the monkey, who’s the organ grinder?

If you honestly believe that the democrats are a center-right party then it’s you who is the naive one.

I’m assured by @Machiavelli that Biden’s incarnation have drifted as far to the left as to suggest some pragmatic centrist policies. However, historically, they’re a centre-right party by international standards.

I agree with you that republicans are all talk.
So why vote for them?

You are obviously a socialist.
This tells me you don’t know what socialism means without you telling me you don’t know what socialism means.

I can promise you that the USA, democrats, are flirting with socialism.

Actually, I think you’ll find that the Democrats in the US are striking out for the centre ground. I think you’ve already been asked this question, but can you tell me how the US Democrats are halting private ownership of business and enforcing state ownership on US business owners? Thought not. Because they aren’t.

Regulated capitalism does not equal socialism.
 




Zeberdi

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Oct 20, 2022
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But why? For what purpose?
It wouldn’t bother me at all if he was polite and friendly tbh. I would rather anyway CD post his Trump related posts, weird and misguided as they are, than some of the contributions that have been made to the thread. He is not the only one trolling this thread. There’s been plenty of people baiting him and enjoying their own little galleried performance.

Probably best we just engage with each other how we want to and use the ignore button if we don’t want to see other people’s posts.
 
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Zeberdi

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Dear lord, the poster in question is only invested in one thing - getting under the skin of other posters.
Tbh they are doing such a phenomenal job it's hard not to be impressed.

Why is this so difficult to understand?

Shits and giggles.

Laughing their heads off as another 3 page essay is directed at them, which they have no intention of reading.
Just wait a couple of days then see how long it takes to bait another one.
I suggest you just put CD on ignore because he is clearly bothering you as is anybody who replies to him 👍

Or just ignore the whole thread 🤷‍♂️
 


Zeberdi

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This tells me you don’t know what socialism means without you telling me you don’t know what socialism means.

Actually, I think you’ll find that the Democrats in the US are striking out for the centre ground. I think you’ve already been asked this question, but can you tell me how the US Democrats are halting private ownership of business and enforcing state ownership on US business owners? Thought not. Because they aren’t.

Regulated capitalism does not equal socialism.
Perhaps I could refer you to my earlier post re. American definitions of ‘socialism’ and the table of definitions I posted - there really is a cross Atlantic divide I think in how we are defining these terms - the term can have very different meanings to different people, so much so, I am not even sure they are helpful any more. The terms ‘left’ and ‘right’ in American politics is also contextual. In fact, the right of political spectrum proponents will often just use the term ‘socialism’ as a derogatory term for anything left of their centre. We have never had a socialist society in the UK (as defined by Clause 4) of course, only political parties who are closer in policies to the ideology than others - so in practice, it is all a spectrum, the characterisation of which, very much influenced by where we ourselves stand on that spectrum.

The Republicans have some very fundamental Christian conservatives on the ‘right’ of the party conversely, the Dems have politicians on the left of the Party, who platform on what might be regarded as more ‘socialist’ on the spectrum eg. Bernie Saunders and AOC who both have a small but hardcore following in the Democratic party.

I would like to ask @lasvegan to define what he means by ‘socialism’ and accept that it might be a different definition to one you or I might have?
 
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lasvegan

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Perhaps I could refer you to my earlier post re. American definitions of ‘socialism’ and the table of definitions I posted - there really is a cross Atlantic divide I think in how we are defining these terms - the term can have very different meanings to different people, so much so, I am not even sure they are helpful any more. The terms ‘left’ and ‘right’ in American politics is also contextual. In fact, the right of political spectrum proponents will often just use the term ‘socialism’ as a derogatory term for anything left of their centre. We have never had a socialist society in the UK (as defined by Clause 4) of course, only political parties who are closer in policies to the ideology than others - so in practice, it is all a spectrum, the characterisation of which, very much influenced by where we ourselves stand on that spectrum.

The Republicans have some very fundamental Christian conservatives on the ‘right’ of the party conversely, the Dems have politicians on the left of the Party, who platform on what might be regarded as more ‘socialist’ on the spectrum eg. Bernie Saunders and AOC who both have a small but hardcore following in the Democratic party.

I would like to ask @lasvegan to define what he means by ‘socialism’ and accept that it might be a different definition to one you or I might have?
I will concede that calling @chickens a socialist as a little unfair. The point I was trying to make is that the Democrat Party is leaning towards totalitarianism, one party rule. Everyone can agree that they are are doing their best to imprison their main political opponent but they are now setting up a task force to ruin the third party candidate.

 










BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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I will concede that calling @chickens a socialist as a little unfair. The point I was trying to make is that the Democrat Party is leaning towards totalitarianism, one party rule. Everyone can agree that they are are doing their best to imprison their main political opponent but they are now setting up a task force to ruin the third party candidate.


From reading that article it seems there is more to the story that meets the eye.

“With a straight face Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said that Joe Biden is a bigger threat to democracy than Donald Trump because he was barred from pushing conspiracy theories online,”
 








Curious Orange

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Everyone can agree that they are are doing their best to imprison their main political opponent
Everyone? As best I can tell that is a narrative almost entirely driven by Mr Trump himself.

Please let us not forget that most of these trials, including the Florida documents case, came about because Grand Juries in those jurisdictions made recommendations that the defendant be charged. These Grand Juries are ordinary people, not the Democratic Party.

As to Mr Trump facing so many charges I suppose it rather depends on whether you think politicians should be held to account equally under the law for any crimes they are alleged to have committed, like you or I would, or not. If you think having held high office, or being in the process of running for it, gives you some special status or immunity from prosecution then you are advocating for a two tier system where the obvious tactic for any criminal to avoid accountability then becomes 'run for office'.

Personally, I 'd rather people were held to account equally and trial determines their guilt or innocence in a timely manner.
 
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Zeberdi

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Triggaaar

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The point I was trying to make is that the Democrat Party is leaning towards totalitarianism, one party rule.

That's incredible nonsense.

Everyone can agree that they are are doing their best to imprison their main political opponent

Their main political opponent is a criminal and the justice system is prosecuting him :shrug:
 


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