[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

raymondo said:

And to mention the contradiction that "Ukraine has the capability and capacity to do such a thing in Moscow"...but were so insignificant that Russia thought they'd get to Kyiv in 3 days

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raymondo said:

And (although I don't like it) the US might keep asking Ukraine to stop attacking Russian territory (refineries etc)...but I hope to goodness that Ukraine just keeps on doing it, and in fact increases the pressure.

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peterward said:

Its as obscene a request as it is ridiculously selfish.

In 2001 a terrorist group flew aircraft into one building on US soil, as huge a tragedy as that was, they destroyed a high profile building and killed circa 3k

That was enough for USA to declare NATO art: 5 and full on invade the country housing those terrorists with all NATO allies assisting them.

It was also enough to full on invade Iraq who had no part in that event.

And Ukraine, who were the 3rd largest Nuclear power in the 1990's signed the Budapest Memorandum on the explict guarantee of protection from USA/UK/Russia though openly state it was the US guarantee that made them RELUCTANTLY give up their nukes, even then saying they were concerend Russia could attack again.

And now 30 years on When a terrorist state, hasnt just destroyed one building but raised towns and cities to the ground, killing 10's of thousands of civillians and US never sent any troops or physical presence, and also when when the US cannot break the impasse in their parliament to supply Ukrainains with the defensive needs they have promised throughout, a bare minimum of their 1994 promises............ Ukraine goes after the only thing it can in the financial source of Russias fascist genocide.

But Biden and his weak yes man Jake Sullivan dont like the Ukrainians potentially affecting fuel prices in an election year?

So they should just sit tight, defenceless, let their towns be destroyed and taken, women raped, men killed so it doesnt add 10c to US fuel costs?

Either back them properly or shut the f**k up.

I hope Ukraine smashes the Russian refineries

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peterward said:

Its as obscene a request as it is ridiculously selfish.

In 2001 a terrorist group flew aircraft into one building on US soil, as huge a tragedy as that was, they destroyed a high profile building and killed circa 3k

That was enough for USA to declare NATO art: 5 and full on invade the country housing those terrorists with all NATO allies assisting them.

It was also enough to full on invade Iraq who had no part in that event.

And Ukraine, who were the 3rd largest Nuclear power in the 1990's signed the Budapest Memorandum on the explict guarantee of protection from USA/UK/Russia though openly state it was the US guarantee that made them RELUCTANTLY give up their nukes, even then saying they were concerend Russia could attack again.

And now 30 years on When a terrorist state, hasnt just destroyed one building but raised towns and cities to the ground, killing 10's of thousands of civillians and US never sent any troops or physical presence, and also when when the US cannot break the impasse in their parliament to supply Ukrainains with the defensive needs they have promised throughout, a bare minimum of their 1994 promises............ Ukraine goes after the only thing it can in the financial source of Russias fascist genocide.

But Biden and his weak yes man Jake Sullivan dont like the Ukrainians potentially affecting fuel prices in an election year?

So they should just sit tight, defenceless, let their towns be destroyed and taken, women raped, men killed so it doesnt add 10c to US fuel costs?

Either back them properly or shut the f**k up.

I hope Ukraine smashes the Russian refineries

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raymondo said:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/rheinmetall-gets-130-mln-eur-eu-funding-ramp-up-ammunition-capacity-2024-03-26/

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Triggaaar said:

To be fair, they did get to Kyiv in 3 days, they just decided to leave again.

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raymondo said:

Perfectly stated .
The US is proving to be self serving and an inconsistent ally.

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peterward said:

Its as obscene a request as it is ridiculously selfish.

In 2001 a terrorist group flew aircraft into one building on US soil, as huge a tragedy as that was, they destroyed a high profile building and killed circa 3k

That was enough for USA to declare NATO art: 5 and full on invade the country housing those terrorists with all NATO allies assisting them.

It was also enough to full on invade Iraq who had no part in that event.

And Ukraine, who were the 3rd largest Nuclear power in the 1990's signed the Budapest Memorandum on the explict guarantee of protection from USA/UK/Russia though openly state it was the US guarantee that made them RELUCTANTLY give up their nukes, even then saying they were concerend Russia could attack again.

And now 30 years on When a terrorist state, hasnt just destroyed one building but raised towns and cities to the ground, killing 10's of thousands of civillians and US never sent any troops or physical presence, and also when when the US cannot break the impasse in their parliament to supply Ukrainains with the defensive needs they have promised throughout, a bare minimum of their 1994 promises............ Ukraine goes after the only thing it can in the financial source of Russias fascist genocide.

But Biden and his weak yes man Jake Sullivan dont like the Ukrainians potentially affecting fuel prices in an election year?

So they should just sit tight, defenceless, let their towns be destroyed and taken, women raped, men killed so it doesnt add 10c to US fuel costs?

Either back them properly or shut the f**k up.

I hope Ukraine smashes the Russian refineries

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raymondo said:

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Eric the meek said:

I remember reading recently, that Rheinmetall has the capacity to make more shells than the whole of Russia.

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raymondo said:

Footage of a Russian fighter jet (Su-35) shot down over Sevastopol by Russia's own air defence, today I think (alleged, but they have history of being trigger happy ).

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fly high said:

Can't defend their oil refineries or ships but experts at shooting down their own plans, love it.

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peterward said:

Russia Knew About Crocus Attack in Advance, Ukraine’s HUR Chief Says

Kyrylo Budanov divulged intelligence indicating the Kremlin was aware of the routes through which the terrorists intended to enter Russia, raising questions as to why they were not stopped.

www.kyivpost.com

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raymondo said:

It's good that Ukraine has repelled the stupid Russian allegations in a number of media places - maybe some of the messages will be heard by Russians with a capacity to think.
And let's also remember that Lukashenko has stated clearly that the terrorists were heading toward Belarus.

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peterward said:

Russia Knew About Crocus Attack in Advance, Ukraine’s HUR Chief Says

Kyrylo Budanov divulged intelligence indicating the Kremlin was aware of the routes through which the terrorists intended to enter Russia, raising questions as to why they were not stopped.

www.kyivpost.com

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