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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)



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raymondo

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Eric the meek said:
I remember reading (sorry, can't recall where) that Ukraine has a huge cottage industry making home-made drones. I'm pretty sure it said there were thousands of households/small factories that were making them. So the Russians can't bomb the factories, as 1) there are thousands of them and 2) they don't know where they are. And it appears they can't easily defend Russian infrastructure against them either.

Here's David Axe writing for Forbes:

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Ukraine Has Developed 15 Kinds Of Long-Range Strike Drone—And Has Sortied Them Against Russia’s Oil Industry

In a year of raids targeting a dozen refineries and depots in western Russia, the Ukrainian intelligence directorate has reduced Russia’s refinery capacity by 12 percent.
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A great way to produce stuff that you want to keep secret 👍
 




Eric the meek

Eric the meek

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UKraine: Enemy in the woods - on BBC2 now (9pm-10pm)

Life on the front line, including piloting drones, and running from the enemy ones.

Edit: discretion needed. It's the front line. People getting shot.
 
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PILTDOWN MAN

PILTDOWN MAN

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Eric the meek said:
UKraine: Enemy in the woods - on BBC2 now (9pm-10pm)

Life on the front line, including piloting drones, and running from the enemy ones.

Edit: discretion needed. It's the front line. People getting shot.
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Absolutely shocking, a modern day WWI
 
















Psychobilly freakout

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Brighton factually.....
Russian President Vladimir Putin seems to have moved past his denial of Islamic State’s involvement in the country’s deadliest terror attack as the leader has accepted that Islamist terrorists conducted the assault.

The ex-KGB leader, however, reasserted that Ukraine might have been involved in the concert hall shooting in Moscow that killed 137 people and injured more than 182 last week. The ISIS claimed responsibility for the attack later.

“We know that the crime was committed by the hands of radical Islamists,” Putin said during a meeting with government officials late on Monday.

This will make him look weak, and he will have to put a spin on this, first it was a war against the Nazi regime in the Ukraine and now what, dare he suggest the Nazi sympathisers are in cahoots with Radical Muslims, doubt that even the most hardened would believe that.
 








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raymondo

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Eric the meek

Eric the meek

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I watched a Youtuber last night, that we haven't come across. His name is Anders Puck Nielsen, a Danish military analyst.

Summary: it wasn't a false flag. It was a real terrorist attack which the security services didn't respond to well. It was embarrassing for them, so the Kremlin is now busy pushing not just a 'Ukraine did it' but also a 'false flag' narrative, to sow confusion, to polarise the debate, and ensure people don't discuss the incompetence of the FSB.

See what you think. It's 9 minutes long. It sounds quite plausible.

 








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Eric the meek said:
Reports that migrants are being deported from Moscow en masse.
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Imagine that, this could well spark the seeds of doubt in the Russian public or create a siege mentality which I think Putin is trying to sow.
Surly the general public at some stage will start to doubt the States narrative, mothers, fathers and families are losing their children on mass, folk must talk and wonder why.

I can also see ISIS taking Umbridge to any public display of humiliation of the people captured, and could well take part in more attacks against Russia, they usually have a little wave of attacks.

I think this is the beginning of a very critical stage for Russia, future generations will one day look back on this with shame not pride.
 


Eric the meek

Eric the meek

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Nobby Cybergoat said:
Deported to where? The front line in Ukraine?
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I don't know. Neither do I know if they are 'foreigners' or guestworkers from elsewhere in the Russian Federation.
What is the implication of this regarding 'was the Crocus attack a false flag'? Are the authorities becoming genuinely scared of people who look different to them? :unsure:
Or are they pretending to, to perpetuate the idea of a false flag? :unsure:

 


Eric the meek

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Imagine that, this could well spark the seeds of doubt in the Russian public or create a siege mentality which I think Putin is trying to sow.
Surly the general public at some stage will start to doubt the States narrative, mothers, fathers and families are losing their children on mass, folk must talk and wonder why.

I can also see ISIS taking Umbridge to any public display of humiliation of the people captured, and could well take part in more attacks against Russia, they usually have a little wave of attacks.

I think this is the beginning of a very critical stage for Russia, future generations will one day look back on this with shame not pride.
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Some interesting points, particularly about ISIS. Moscow could be descending into a dangerous, febrile state.

For a while, I've thought that as Putin's 3-day special military operation grinds on like a very slow train crash, and the pressure continues to mount on Putin, we will see increasingly bizarre behaviour, poor decision making, blame avoidance, scapegoating, threats, spite, you name it.
 




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raymondo

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Eric the meek said:
I watched a Youtuber last night, that we haven't come across. His name is Anders Puck Nielsen, a Danish military analyst.

Summary: it wasn't a false flag. It was a real terrorist attack which the security services didn't respond to well. It was embarrassing for them, so the Kremlin is now busy pushing not just a 'Ukraine did it' but also a 'false flag' narrative, to sow confusion, to polarise the debate, and ensure people don't discuss the incompetence of the FSB.

See what you think. It's 9 minutes long. It sounds quite plausible.

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I don't have time to watch at the moment...but why would Kremlin push, allow a false flag narrative at all??
 


Eric the meek

Eric the meek

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raymondo said:
I don't have time to watch at the moment...but why would Kremlin push, allow a false flag narrative at all??
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Nielsen argues that it helps Putin, adding to his persona of having a cunning plan, being in control etc.

It is - lack - of control, and the incompetence of the security services that will harm Putin, not a false flag.
Anyway, if you can have a false flag, why can't you have a false, false flag?

A bit like Locadia playing in the position of false ten. He was really a false, false 10, as he wasn't a 10, nor a false 10, but a DJ instead.
 


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